>employees $5k to $10k per day at current full comp market rate
WTF. Is this really not trolling? I make that in a month
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#733>According to all the interviews I’ve failed over the years (I don’t think I’ve ever passed an actual “coding interview” anywhere?), the entire goal of tech hiring is just finding people in the 100 to 115 midwit block then outright rejecting everybody else as too much of an unknown risk. As a (now) senior/staff-level engineer back out on the job market for the first time in a while, I'm begrudgingly coming to accept…
Imo, there are two kinds of programmers: people who can write code to build stuff, and people who can write code to build stuff and are also conversationally fluent in the theory behind writing code. The second group is 5x more useful than the first, and coding interviews are testing which group you're in. Often the first group doesn't think the extra skill of fluency is important, which is fine, think what you want,…
I’ve been having quite a bit of luck at these coding assessments by simply memorising solutions to leetcode problems. This feels not very different to studying braindumps to get a vendor certification.
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#734Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does that company hire or recruiter hire h1b? In order to get h1b approval, you have to make the case that "we interviewed x,000 people and we just can't find any qualified applicants! ". I'm starting to suspect that the industry has learned to set salaries low and churn enough applicants in order to reduce costs. One way to churn them is to do a phone screen and find a quick way to legally get rid of them. Then once…
[reference needed] - I read a study from a few years ago suggesting that H1B Visa hires on average get paid more than hires from inside the US.
H1B should not exist in an overly saturated job market like this one. Most H1B don't do anything so specific that the company truly couldn't find someone in the US to replace them. Most of them are writing Web Services. Not creating the next AI, Distributed Ledger, etc.
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#735I will add my two cents for people who believe that this might be related only to the SWE and tangent industries: It's really not. I have many friends (in Europe) who are trying to get through to different jobs in unrelated industries ranging from finance to fashion, or just trying to get promoted vertically (or horizontally), failing rather miserably. Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideratio…
Regarding the meta comment to LLMs, Gemini gave me this incredibly terrible response:
``` Can you summarise this article? https://matt.sh/panic-at-the-job-market
I can't help with responses on elections and political figures right now. I'm trained to be as accurate as possible but I can make mistakes sometimes. ```
Co-pilot in Edge, just gave me a summary. No bananas.
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#736Earlier quoted context omitted.
My perspective aligns with your newer opinion. I have never studied for an interview, and cannot clearly imagine what such a process would involve; neither have I ever taken a CS course. A coding interview therefore feels like an opportunity to demonstrate my approach to problem-solving using the skills I have acquired over the years, which feels like a reasonable thing to ask of a potential future coworker. My pet t…
For FAANG and FAANG cargo cultists, the goal absolutely is to provide a correct answer, and to do it while pretending you're reasoning it out from scratch rather than recognizing the pattern from the hundreds of leetcode practice questions you've drilled on.
Naturally I can tell you only what my own expectations are as an interviewer, and I can only guess what other people might expect; but something I can share as a fact is that simply doing the work presented to me, using the skills acquired naturally through the course of my career, with no pretending or practice questions or memorization involved, got me a job at two of those tech giants.
That was many years ago; perhaps things have changed. All I know is that the picture of tech interviewing I see so commonly complained about does not match my experience.
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#737I will add my two cents for people who believe that this might be related only to the SWE and tangent industries: It's really not. I have many friends (in Europe) who are trying to get through to different jobs in unrelated industries ranging from finance to fashion, or just trying to get promoted vertically (or horizontally), failing rather miserably. Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideratio…
> Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideration your particular profile or the contributions you can make. This is really key. I have applied for jobs before, and then get questions like: "what's your experience with C++ or advanced graph algorithms?". Only that, none of that shows up in my profile or resume. But they act surprised and completely shrug off how a decade of software and other relev…
some companies do know how to hire and how to train. its rare- not zero.
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#738I will add my two cents for people who believe that this might be related only to the SWE and tangent industries: It's really not. I have many friends (in Europe) who are trying to get through to different jobs in unrelated industries ranging from finance to fashion, or just trying to get promoted vertically (or horizontally), failing rather miserably. Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideratio…
Incidentally, I read a post today which swore that the only way to get hired is NOT to rely on network. Because hiring managers receive so many applications if you don't get your app in the first 24 hours it's guaranteed to be rejected. I think the network thing works only for smaller companies.
Openings/needs can be shared and relayed through networks before being listed publicly. You can also made yourself know as a potential hire before the need arises or before it is fully validated/budgeted and getter recontacted on Day 1.
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#739If the author behaves like he writes I have a clue as to why he's still unemployed tbh.
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#740I have been trying to hire someone with more than a couple years experience in frontend and event sourcing with any language in the backend for weeks and 90% of the applicants are just people right off a bootcamp where they just do Django. then a couple no-shows and people who essentially add any tech they've heard of in their CV. In the past I've interviewed dozens of people who mention five DBMS in their resume but…
At the risk of minimizing your issue, are you sure you’re paying enough? Mid-level engineers cost ~130-140k (in Houston at least). A few weeks ago I was talking to a hiring manager who found me on LinkedIn and was saying he had a hard time finding anyone. Turns out he was trying to pay 50-90k for a mid/senior developer who had machine learning and robotics experience. I didn’t take the interview
The contradictions in this thread are incredible. If the job market is that bad and you need the money then a job that pays anything is good enough. Are these people just going to sit there until they starve because they're too proud to take a job that pays less than their last one?!