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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by talldayo »

troupo wrote: post #719
talldayo wrote: post #677

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And some of them, like WebGPU, are Khronos IP that Apple has no reason to object to except on an ideological and profit-maximizing basis. I wonder why Apple would deliberately avoid an API that might obsolete the requirement for games to use the App Store? Do you have any ideas?

> like WebGPU, are Khronos IP that Apple has no reason to object to except on You do know that Apple is basically the original author of WebGPU, right (together with Mozilla)? > I wonder why Apple would deliberately avoid an API that might obsolete the requirement for games to use the App Store And your fantasy of Apple deliberately avoiding it is based on what exactly? https://webkit.org/blog/9528/webgpu-and-wsl-in-…

> You do know that Apple is basically the original author of WebGPU, right (together with Mozilla)?

Apple is the original author of a lot of tech they end up abandoning. Certainly a lot of Khronos IP, paging through their history.

> And your fantasy of Apple deliberately avoiding it is based on what exactly?

Based on a 4 year (!!!) porting time from MacOS Safari to iOS Safari. Basically textbook feet-dragging there.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by talldayo »

troupo wrote: post #717
talldayo wrote: post #674

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> You mean the company dominating the internet heavily promoted and pushed users towards its own browser. If the company dominating their hardware did any better, maybe the majority of them wouldn't leave Safari. If Apple doesn't want to build a competitive browser, then they need some (non-anticompetitive) strategy to retain their users. Otherwise we're doing the Microsoft Shuffle again. > Where by "feature-filled"…

> If the company dominating their hardware did any better Apple doesn't dominate all of hardware. Google, however, dominates major access points to the internet, and used it to aggressively promote its browser. > No, at this point I really do just mean "feature-filled". I doubt it > iOS has notoriously restrictive APIs and it makes full sense that those users would want a browser do do the things Apple prevents their…

> We've yet to see a single amazing PWA future we hear so much about.

Then maybe it's time you gave Android another try. Chrome runs on mobile just as well as it does on desktop, so any of the web apps you use on your computer work fine on phone too. It makes modern Safari look like a tofu browser substitute by comparison.

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xcv123 wrote: post #727
amatecha wrote: post #724

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I personally like to know whether the software I use/endorse is developed with broad inclusion in mind. It is a pretty solid indicator of thoughtfully-designed software. A developer assuming, for example (not related to this instance), ~all the users are able-bodied men with perfect vision and motor skills, leads to an inferior product that is guaranteed to alienate people who don't match the "target audience", and t…

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Post by phyzome »

sph wrote: post #682
phyzome wrote: post #659

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Get a hobby.

Sounds like you're pretty upset about the idea that switching documentation to gender-neutral language is a good change.

(What do hobbies have to do with this?)

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Post by sph »

phyzome wrote: post #734
sph wrote: post #682

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Get a hobby.

Sounds like you're pretty upset about the idea that switching documentation to gender-neutral language is a good change. (What do hobbies have to do with this?)

You are spending far too much time online if three neutral words sound like being "pretty upset" to you. There's grass to be touched outside. No one really cares.

You should find a better hobby than getting offended because people that have a different world view than yours. Part of growing up is learning to deal with this fact.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by criticalfault »

awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Three questions:

Will you use Vulkan when it comes to gpu accel or OpenGL?

Will you make better adblocking capabilities by embedding faster checks and rule engines/lookups in c++ than what we have now?

How much can people who do not contribute code affect development? In terms of requests suggestions? E.g. if I would suggest to skip OpenGL and use Vulkan (so basically defining a limit on how old should the hw be), would this be even considered?

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Post by nwienert »

talldayo wrote: post #676
nwienert wrote: post #531

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The data doesn’t show they drag their feet though. If anything FF is behind. I genuinely enjoy Safari as a user more than Chrome. As a developer the dev tools suck. But as a user - the UI is far more minimal and nice. Every single action feels 2-3x faster, from opening and closing, tab opening or movement, etc. Battery lasts significantly longer. And I never really run into anything that doesn’t work, ever. Plus neve…

> The data doesn’t show they drag their feet though. If anything FF is behind. Literally no? We must not be on the same page, both of the technologies I namedropped were Chrome and Firefox exclusive for a half-decade. And they're certainly not the only features Mozilla and Google agree upon; Apple deliberately gimps features that benefit PWAs so that browsers artificially cannot compete with their native apps. > Just…

I mean if you do the analysis on features supported on CanIUse, Safari is not really behind in any meaningful way. There are some missing features relative to Chrome, but they actually support a number of things other browsers don't. It's not clear-cut like it was years ago. Sorry if that's inconvenient.

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Post by nwienert »

blinkingled wrote: post #602
nwienert wrote: post #531

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The data doesn’t show they drag their feet though. If anything FF is behind. I genuinely enjoy Safari as a user more than Chrome. As a developer the dev tools suck. But as a user - the UI is far more minimal and nice. Every single action feels 2-3x faster, from opening and closing, tab opening or movement, etc. Battery lasts significantly longer. And I never really run into anything that doesn’t work, ever. Plus neve…

You said data doesn't show they drag their feet and then proceeded to present anecdote of your personal preferences and use cases while adding that thoughtful UI and battery life are the features and not web standards or the implementation quality of it nor the lack of 3rd party browsers on iOS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31902707 Sure they have recently implemented some features like IndexedDB but the dat…

They did years ago, as of late they are in fact moving faster than others. I think my point stands, they are no longer clearly behind in features, and in fact probably are near tied if you subtract the Chrome-only stuff, and take into account there's a variety of things Safari has that others don't now.

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Post by __d »

rocketvole wrote: post #339

excuse my ingnorance, but firefox is also an open source browser afaik. The only advantage that ladybird us is that it turns the duopoly of browser engines into a tri-opoly- so what is the point? Why wouldn't this money be better spent enhancing another browser engine like whatever midori runs on? Why does Ladybird need to exist, and why are so many companies becoming sponsors? Not trying to ruffle feathers, genuinel…

The Firefox browser is built by the Mozilla organization. Mozilla depends upon funding from Google to survive, and over time, has become used to spending lots of money each year (since it arrives "free" from Google). Should Google turn off that tap, Mozilla and Firefox would very likely struggle to survive.

So, some people feel that it'd be better to have a viable browser that isn't dependent upon Google.

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Post by atlas_hugged »

arisu wrote: post #614

Please see https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814 If you want to use and/or contribute to such a project that's fine! And if not, that's fine too. But people should know.

For the lazy:

To prevent this, remove `anon` from the `wheel` group and he will no longer be able to run `/bin/su`.

To prevent this, remove `anon` from the `wheel` group and they will no longer be able to run `/bin/su`.

“awesomekling commented on May 2, 2021 This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics”

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