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Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by j45 »

appplication wrote: post #707
kinnth wrote: post #607

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AI has now evolved beyond just the science and it's biggest issue is in the productization. Finding use cases for what's already available ALONG with new models will be where success lies. ChatGPT is the number 1 brand in AI and as such needs to learn what it's selling, not how its technology works. It always sucks when mission and vision don't align with the nerds ideas, but I think it's probably the best move for b…

To this end, OpenAI is already off track. Their “GPT marketplace” or whatever they’re calling it is just misguided flailing from a product perspective.

Or they were experimenting with people defining agentic A.I. slightly before it became more widely popular.

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Post by snowbyte »

chollida1 wrote: post #698
snowbyte wrote: post #365

When walking around the U of Toronto, I often think that ~10 years ago Ilya was in a lab next to Alex trying to figure things out. I can't believe this new AI wave started there. Ilya, Karpathy, Jimmy Ba, and many more were at the right time when Hinton was there too.

Oh man that was an amazing time at UoT. We also got GPU versions of btc mining from that group. We also had Ethereum be born right around there as well around 2014. I remember the first Ethereum meetups around Queen and Spadina with Vitalik. But to another posters point. Even though we had the father of deep learning Geoffrey Hinton and lumiaries like Ilya, and Vitalik, we didn't manage to get any real benefit from t…

Wow! By the time I arrived, Hinton was gone. As well as many great professors that started their own companies or were poached by big players (i.e. Sanja-Nvidia). At least I got to learn NN from Jimmy Ba (author of Adam). Now, he's working at xAI.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by javaunsafe2019 »

appplication wrote: post #707
kinnth wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI has now evolved beyond just the science and it's biggest issue is in the productization. Finding use cases for what's already available ALONG with new models will be where success lies. ChatGPT is the number 1 brand in AI and as such needs to learn what it's selling, not how its technology works. It always sucks when mission and vision don't align with the nerds ideas, but I think it's probably the best move for b…

To this end, OpenAI is already off track. Their “GPT marketplace” or whatever they’re calling it is just misguided flailing from a product perspective.

Ain’t there this pattern that innovations comes in waves and that the companies of the first wave most often just die but the second and third wave a build upon their artefacts and can be successful in a longer run?

I see this coming for sure for open ai and I do my part by just writing this comment on HN.

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Post by cellis »

rvba wrote: post #562
cellis wrote: post #442

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Hypothetically: Could someone play for both the Los Angeles Lakers and Golden State Warriors? Something tells me those non competes are unenforceable.

Isnt those just branches of the same company?

Now I'm curious how the NBA is structured. I always thought the "ownership" was who paid the players and signed the contracts (in essence, an NBA team is a company), and the NBA simply enforced the rules of the contracts (the "templating", if you will), but I'm sure it's much more complex than that. I made the analogy because NBA players often move from team to team and there are no non-competes keeping them from playing for another team.

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Post by eitally »

cm2187 wrote: post #481
fnordpiglet wrote: post #452

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I don’t feel that OpenAI has a huge moat against say Anthropic. And I don’t know OpenAI needs Microsoft nearly as much as Microsoft needs OpenAI

But is it even clear what is the next big leap after LLM? I have the feeling many tend to extrapolate the progress of AI from the last 2 years to the next 30 years but research doesn't always work like that (though improvements in computing power did).

I don't think it particularly matters right now (practically speaking). It's going to take years for businesses and product companies to commoditize applications of LLMs, so while it's valuable for the Ilyas & Andrejs of the world to continue the good work of hard research, it's the startups, hyperscalers and SaaS companies who are creating business applications for LLMs that going to be the near term focus.

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Post by duped »

tsimionescu wrote: post #648
Zambyte wrote: post #621

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I'm genuinely curious: what do you expect an "AGI" system to be able to do that we can't do with today's technology?

The simplest answer, without adding any extraordinary capabilities to the AGI that veer into magical intelligence, is to have AI assistants that can seemlessly interact with technology the way a human assistant would. So, if you want to meet with someone, instead of opening you calendar app and looking for an opening, you'd ask your AGI assistant to talk to their AGI assistant and set up a 1h meeting soon. Or, instea…

> The single biggest problem in education is that it's impossible to scale the highest quality education

Do you work in education? Because I don't think many who do would agree with this take.

Where I live, the single biggest problem in education is that we can't scale staffing without increasing property taxes, and people don't want to pay higher property taxes. And no, AGI does not fix this problem, because you need staff to be physically present in schools to deal with children.

Even if we had an AGI that could do actual presentation of coursework and grading, you need a human being in there to make sure they behave and to meet the physical needs of the students. Humans aren't software to program around.

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Post by sebastiennight »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #446
OtomotO wrote: post #437

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I am sorry, there must be some hidden tech, some completely different attempt to speak about AGI. I really, really doubt that transformers will become AGI. Maybe I am wrong, I am no expert in this field, but I would love to understand the reasoning behind this "could arrive this year", because it reminds me about coldfusion :X edit: maybe the term has changed again. AGI to me means truly understanding, maybe even som…

No I’m with you on this. Next token prediction does lead to impressive emergent phenomena. But what makes people people is an internal drive to attend to our needs, and an LLM exists without that. A real AGI should be something you can drop in to a humanoid robot and it would basically live as an individual, learning from every moment and every day, growing and changing with time. LLMs can’t even count the number of…

You seem generally intelligent. Can you tell how many letters are in the following sentence?

"هذا دليل سريع على أنه حتى البشر الأذكياء لا يمكنهم قراءة ”الرموز“ أو ”الحروف“ من لغة لم يتعلموها."

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Post by menacingly »

ralfd wrote: post #491
menacingly wrote: post #325

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I think the point is not "chatGPT isn't good", it's that no one is beating physics, you can rough out the coefficients on a napkin, and they're playing chicken with who wants to set more piles of money on fire. It _is_ the best frontier LLM in the world, and virtually the entire global population of people who care about that are in this thread

This will change when the rumors turn out to be true and Apples Siri is powered by OpenAI and a billion people have a working conversational AI in their pocket.

I agree that this will happen (I said in another post), but I can't for the life of me attach it to one of the points I made

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Post by breuleux »

jagrsw wrote: post #718
TimPC wrote: post #702

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The problem with CO2 levels is that no one likes the solution not that we don't have one. I highly doubt adding AGI to the mix is going to magically make things better. If anything we'll just burn more CO2 providing all the compute resources it needs. People want their suburban lifestyle with their red meat and their pick-up truck or SUV. They drive fuel inefficient vehicles long-distances to urban work environments…

Assuming embedded AI in every piece of robotics - sometimes directly, sometimes connected to a central server (this is doable even today) - it'll revolutionize industries: human-less mining, processing, manufacturing, services, and transportation. These factories would eventually produce and install enough solar power or build sufficient nuclear plants and energy infrastructure, making energy clean and free. With abu…

Having more energy is intrinsically dangerous, though, because it's indiscriminate: more energy cannot enable bigger solutions without also enabling bigger problems. Energy is the limiting factor to how much damage we can do. If we have way more of it, all bets are off. For instance, the current issue may be that we are indirectly cooking the planet through CO2 emissions, so capturing that sounds like a good idea. But even with clean energy, there is a point where we would cook the planet directly via waste heat of AI and gizmos and factories and whatever unforeseen crap we'll conjure just because we can. And given our track record I'm far from confident that we wouldn't do precisely that.
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