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Re: GPT-4o

#731

Am I using it wrong? I have the gpt plus subscription, and can select "gpt4o" from the model list on ChatGPT, but whichever example I try from the example list under "Explorations of capabilities" on ` https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/ `, my results are worse: * "Poetic typography" sample: I paste the prompt, and get an image with the typical lack of coherent text, just mangled letters. * "Visual Narratives: Rob…

link the chat?

Re: GPT-4o

#732

Am I using it wrong? I have the gpt plus subscription, and can select "gpt4o" from the model list on ChatGPT, but whichever example I try from the example list under "Explorations of capabilities" on ` https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/ `, my results are worse: * "Poetic typography" sample: I paste the prompt, and get an image with the typical lack of coherent text, just mangled letters. * "Visual Narratives: Rob…

they haven’t released gpt-4o image capabilities yet, it defaults to dalle 3

Re: GPT-4o

#733

This is a very cool demo - if you dig deeper there’s a clip of them having a “blind” AI talk to another AI with live camera input to ask it to explain what it’s seeing. Then they, together, sing a song about what they’re looking at, alternating each line, and rhyming with one another . Given all of the isolated capabilities of AI, this isn’t particularly surprising, but seeing it all work together in real time is pre…

> We’re moving toward a world where every job will be modeled

After an OpenAI launch, I think it's important to take one's feelings about the future impact of the technology with a HUGE grain of salt. OpenAI are masters of hype. They have been generating hype for years now, yet the real-world impacts remain modest so far.

Do you remember when they teased GPT-2 as "too dangerous" for public access? I do. Yet we now have Llama 3 in the wild, which even at the smaller 8B size is about as powerful as the [edit: 6/13/23] GPT-4 release.

As someone pointed out elsewhere in the comments, a logistic curve looks exponential in the beginning, before it approaches saturation. Yet, logistic curves are more common, especially in ML. I think it's interesting that GPT-4o doesn't show much of an improvement in "reasoning" strength.

Re: GPT-4o

#734

Impressed by the model so far. As far as independent testing goes, it is topping our leaderboard for chess puzzle solving by a wide margin now: https://github.com/kagisearch/llm-chess-puzzles?tab=readme-o...

On one hand, some of these results are impressive; on the other, the illegal moves count is alarming - it suggests no reasoning ability as there should never be an illegal move? I mean, how could a violation of a fairly basic game (from a rules perspective) be acceptable in assigning any 'outcome' to a model other than failure?

my guess is -- the probabilistic engine does sequence variation and it just will not do anything else.. so a simple A->B sort of logic is elusive at a deep level; secondly the adaptive and very broad kinds of questions and behaviors it handles, also make it difficult to write logic that could correct defective answers to simple logic.

Re: GPT-4o

#735

I've worked quite a bit with STT and TTS over the past ~7 years, and this is the most impressive and even startling demo I've seen. But I would like to see how this is integrated into applications by third party developers where the AI is doing a specific job. Is it still as impressive? The biggest challenge I've had with building any autonomous "agents" with generic LLM's is they are overly gullible and accommodatin…

>Also STT is rife with speaker interjections, leading to significant user frustrations and they just want to talk to a person. Hard to see if this is really solved yet. This is not using TTS or STT. Audio and Image data can be tokenized as readily as text. This is simply a LLM that happens to have been trained to receive and spit out audio and image tokens as well as text tokens. Interjections are a lot more palatabl…

Adding audio data as a token, in and of itself, would dramatically increase training size, cost, and time for very little benefit. Neural networks also generally tend to function less effectively with highly correlated inputs, which I can only assume is still an issue for LLMs. And adding combined audio training would introduce rather large scale correlations in the inputs.

I would wager like 100:1 that this is just introducing some TTS/STT layers. The video processing layer is probably also doing something similarly, by taking an extremely limited number of 'screenshots', carrying out typical image captioning using another layer, and then feeding that as an input. So the demo, to me, seems most likely to just be 3 separate 'plugins' operating in unison - text to speech, speech to text, and image to text.

The interjections are likely just the software being programmed to aggressively begin output following any lull after an input pattern. Note in basically all the videos, the speakers have to repeatedly cut off the LLM as it starts speaking in conversationally inappropriate locations. In the main video which is just an extremely superficial interaction, the speaker made sure to be constantly speaking when interacting, only pausing once to take a breath that I noticed. He also struggled with the timing of his own responses as the LLM still seems to be attached to its typical, and frequently inappropriate, rambling verbosity (though perhaps I'm not one to critique that).

Re: GPT-4o

#736

This is a very cool demo - if you dig deeper there’s a clip of them having a “blind” AI talk to another AI with live camera input to ask it to explain what it’s seeing. Then they, together, sing a song about what they’re looking at, alternating each line, and rhyming with one another . Given all of the isolated capabilities of AI, this isn’t particularly surprising, but seeing it all work together in real time is pre…

> We’re moving toward a world where every job will be modeled After an OpenAI launch, I think it's important to take one's feelings about the future impact of the technology with a HUGE grain of salt. OpenAI are masters of hype. They have been generating hype for years now, yet the real-world impacts remain modest so far. Do you remember when they teased GPT-2 as "too dangerous" for public access? I do. Yet we now ha…

They're masters of hype because their products speak for themselves (literally)

Re: GPT-4o

#737

This is a very cool demo - if you dig deeper there’s a clip of them having a “blind” AI talk to another AI with live camera input to ask it to explain what it’s seeing. Then they, together, sing a song about what they’re looking at, alternating each line, and rhyming with one another . Given all of the isolated capabilities of AI, this isn’t particularly surprising, but seeing it all work together in real time is pre…

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The fact that you’re convinced this isn’t possible (or at least not happening here) means they’ve literally made progress beyond belief.

Re: GPT-4o

#738

This is a very cool demo - if you dig deeper there’s a clip of them having a “blind” AI talk to another AI with live camera input to ask it to explain what it’s seeing. Then they, together, sing a song about what they’re looking at, alternating each line, and rhyming with one another . Given all of the isolated capabilities of AI, this isn’t particularly surprising, but seeing it all work together in real time is pre…

> We’re moving toward a world where every job will be modeled After an OpenAI launch, I think it's important to take one's feelings about the future impact of the technology with a HUGE grain of salt. OpenAI are masters of hype. They have been generating hype for years now, yet the real-world impacts remain modest so far. Do you remember when they teased GPT-2 as "too dangerous" for public access? I do. Yet we now ha…

"real-world impacts remain modest so far." Really? My Google usage has went down with 90% (it would just lead me to some really bad take from a journalist anyway, while ChatGPT can just hand me the latest research and knows my level of expertise). Sure it is not so helpful at work, but if OpenAI hasnt impacted the world I fail to see which company have in this decade.

Re: GPT-4o

#740
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We've had voice input and voice output with computers for a long time, but it's never felt like spoken conversation. At best it's a series of separate voice notes. It feels more like texting than talking. These demos show people talking to artificial intelligence. This is new. Humans are more partial to talking than writing. When people talk to each other (in person or over low-latency audio) there's a rich metadata…

Exactly. I'm not sure if this is brand new or not, but this is definitely on the frontier.

I was literally just thinking about this a few days ago... that we need a multi-modal language model with speech training built-in.

As soon as this thing rolls out, we'll be talking to language models like we talk to each other. Previously it was like dictating a letter and waiting for the responding letter to be read to you. Communication is possible, but not really in the way that we do it with humans.

This is MUCH more human-like, with the ability to interrupt each other and glean context clues from the full richness of the audio.

The model's ability to sing is really fascinating. It's ability to change the sound of its voice -- its pacing, its pitch, its tonality. I don't know how they're controlling all that via GPT-4o tokens, but this is much more interesting stuff than what we had before.

I honestly don't fully understand the implications here.

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