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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by Valakas_ »

cameldrv wrote: post #364

The punchline is this: "It's 2021. The research participants are in their late-30s now, which means they've had plenty of time to shape their own destinies. But we can clearly see that the experiences of their childhood had a huge effect on their financial situation as adults. It also has an effect on virtually everything else in their lives." You cannot infer the direction of causality from this data, i.e. that the…

If you knew even a little bit about trauma, you'd know it's not even up for debate at this point that trauma is a huge setback in life.

Your risk of bad relationships, emotional dysregulation, physical ailments and diseases, stress, life unsatisfaction, (...) all increase as your ACE score increases.

I keep repeating myself at this point, but trauma is the biggest epidemic with the most negative consequences that isn't being talked about enough.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by concordDance »

cycomanic wrote: post #709
concordDance wrote: post #403

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> I think it's about as close as we can get to inferring directionality. No, we can try interventions (e.g. do a big and expensive anti-violence/CCTV/policing campaign in a neighborhood) and record the result. I do think the grandparent has a point and a lot of these could have a common cause. e.g. a violent environment and poor educational attainment could both be caused by poverty or genes for impulse control or a…

> I do think the grandparent has a point and a lot of these could have a common cause. e.g. a violent environment and poor educational attainment could both be caused by poverty or genes for impulse control or a subculture with a higher acceptance these things. How does a gene for (presumably less) impulse control make you more likely to have seen someone shot? And yes growing up in a poor/more violent environment ma…

> And yes growing up in a poor/more violent environment makes you more likely to end up poor with health problems later in life is exactly the point of the study.

My point is that there may be no causation from seeing violence to poor educational outcomes. E.g. instead of [violence->bad grades] it's [poverty->bad grades] and [poverty->violence], so the there may be no causal arrow between the seeing violence and the later bad grades.

> How does a gene for (presumably less) impulse control make you more likely to have seen someone shot?

Don't get hung up on the genes, it's just an example. Put lead in the water if you prefer.

If your question is genuine then the hypothesis here would be that the lead/genes cause poverty which means needing to live in rougher neighbourhoods.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by concordDance »

ta1243 wrote: post #715
renjimen wrote: post #571

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Fair. You can do those kinds of analyses from historical data too, though I don’t think CCTV would have much of an effect. Try free school lunches, after school support, parental benefits etc.

How would providing free school lunches reduce the chance of seeing someone shot?

Better nutrition at school increasing attention span and grades, thus increasing hope for alternative life that isn't joining a gang. The reduced stress on family finances could also let them do something like move to a less rough neighbourhood.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by ConnorCallahan »

“ The world we've built has shaped his life.

So he is our collective responsibility. They all are.”

I don’t understand how it’s our responsibility that he is “sometimes depressed”. I didn’t make him not study.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by I_o_IllI__o_I »

lynx23 wrote: post #716
jandrese wrote: post #540

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I went to primary school in the 80s and 90s and even back then it was pretty hard to be held back a grade level. Typically it only happened when a kid missed a lot of school, like they were hit by a car and spent 2 months in the hospital. Failing grades alone didn't usually cause it, at least the kids who seemed completely uninterested in school still somehow managed to graduate.

"Everybody is a unique snowflake" attitude is causing way more problems then we publically admit. Setting boundaries is important. As is seeing the consequences of your own actions. I was held back in school for a year. Looking back, this was one of the most important things in my school time. I am glad it happened.

>"Everybody is a unique snowflake" attitude is causing way more problems then we publically admit

like what problems?

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by m101 »

The problem with 1) blaming early trauma on all outcomes and 2) saying it's out responsibility to support them, is that it sends a poor signal about personal responsibility. What kind of society would be created if we sent that message?

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

cameldrv wrote: post #364

The punchline is this: "It's 2021. The research participants are in their late-30s now, which means they've had plenty of time to shape their own destinies. But we can clearly see that the experiences of their childhood had a huge effect on their financial situation as adults. It also has an effect on virtually everything else in their lives." You cannot infer the direction of causality from this data, i.e. that the…

If you don't agree with certain people that "wet roads cause rain", you are basically doing a heckin' fascism and should be deplatformed.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by mbesto »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #615
SoftTalker wrote: post #608

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I learned out to fill out a basic Form 1040 tax return in middle school (late 1970s). Banking now is WAY easier. Balancing a checkbook? All your transactions and your balance are available 24/7 on your phone. Your paycheck appears in your bank account automatically. You used to have to get a paper check at work and then take it to the bank (open 9-5, maybe a little later on Fridays, and 9-12 or maybe 2pm on Saturday)…

You focus on banking, I’m talking about budgets. Do you track every cent in and out and have a quarterly updated forecast of your financial position a decade out? How close are you to that? If your answer doesn’t include a spreadsheet of some sort you’re not budgeting but taking a shortcut on faith your intuitions are correct. Did you get taught how credit applications work, how banks determine credit worthiness, how…

Exactly. If you are taught to balance a checkbook, it inherently forces you to budget.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by cherrycherry98 »

magicalist wrote: post #332
anon291 wrote: post #302

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Unfortunately a solid number of these things would rely on the moral equivalent of slavery. > Reduce the burden of poverty. For instance, the poorer you are the further you have to travel to the grocery store. The people who often don't have the means to easily travel for food have to travel for food. No one wants to work in these neighborhoods because they are invariably awful. At some point the risk of an employee…

> Unfortunately a solid number of these things would rely on the moral equivalent of slavery. Weird conclusion to jump to. GP did not suggest grocery stores staffed under threat of jail time anywhere. Better public transit benefits everyone. Better urban design favoring walkable neighborhoods benefits everyone. Better zoning allowing neighborhood shops at street level benefits everyone.

Ideally you'd want businesses to voluntarily operate in these places but it's hard to get them to. It is difficult to operate at a profit in these environments. Margins are worse because poorer populations can less afford luxury items. Costs are higher due to increase in theft, the need for additional security services, and insurance.

In recent years there have been high profile closures of big brand stores in major metro areas for exactly these reasons. Proposals to address grocery store closures include regulating them in San Francisco with a lengthy 6 month notice period and other requirements. In Chicago the idea has been floated for government run grocery stores.

While the jump to call such moves "the moral equivalent of slavery" is a bit extreme, they do exist in the realm of compelled behavior and against liberty. In the case of SF it's with regard to making it more difficult to exercise the decision to close a store, which may require the operator to take financial losses for longer and incur additional compliance related costs. In the case of Chicago, it's using tax payer money (which is collected through threat of incarceration) to operate a service that's traditionally provided voluntarily by a private actor because it yields them benefit (profits).

https://www.axios.com/local/san-francisco/2024/01/31/grocery...

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/mayor/press_room/press...

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