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> brand popped up and offered a gasoline ICE with old toyota-level reliability and longevity, and without electronics Bought that car last year for about 20K - Kia Rio 5 door. Wonderful little car.
Oh yeah? I will definitely look it up. Thanks for the info.
No complaints on the Kia Carnival I got.
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I couldn’t agree more. Tesla has a major problem of not following the standard interaction design of cars. If you have to Google how to do something on your rental car, the designers have failed. Even opening the back door while inside is unorthodox. There’s not a handle to pull, instead it’s a push button that looks like it’s for the window?
Sounds like Hertz should be handing out a cheat sheet.
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Rubbish. > The stations are primarily deployed in three regions: Asia Pacific (over 2,000), North America (over 2,000), and Europe (over 1,000). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger Some supercharger stations also work with other cars. I used them over Christmas with my Kia. Surprisingly they were faster and cheaper than anything else in the area.
1000 stations is nothing. Like there's more than 10000 gas stations in France alone, with just a fraction of a 1000 you won't get anywhere (or at least nowhere near as easily as with an ICE).
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> They are also probably unaccustomed to the car's behavior when you lift the gas pedal completely It's been at least 4 years since I drove an EV so I don't remember what they do. I expect the car to slow down and eventually come to a halt. I remember that I wasn't surprised by anything in particular so it's probably what it did. What do Teslas do?
> What do Teslas do? Teslas do aggressive regen braking when you lift your foot. And it's not possible to disable that behavior, unlike other EVs. So-called single pedal driving isn't very familiar to most drivers, making it unsuitable for rentals where users would prefer not having a learning curve. Also if you ask the community how to disable regen braking you'll be told that you're driving it wrong, see: https://w…
I rented a Tesla on a recent trip lasting a few days, and I feel there are other reasons for which is a bad rental car than charging. I've rented a lot of cars, but when I got this one I spent ten minutes completely dumbfounded trying to get it going. They gave me a key card but I couldn't figure out what to do with it. Swipe it, I guess, but where? I tried the door, but the pillar? Would've never guessed until looki…
Fun car. Incredibly unintuitive. If you're renting an EV, make a checklist.
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> that's one location that contains multiple chargers. It's still one location. If I live in Trafford is easily a 45 minute drive, much worse at peak times. > very few people that live in Greater Manchester would use a really fast charger Because obviously we all have driveways and we can leave the car there overnight. Fuck 'em terraces scum. /s
Like many UK EV owners I don't have a driveway either and use a lamp post charger overnight.
I rented a Tesla on a recent trip lasting a few days, and I feel there are other reasons for which is a bad rental car than charging. I've rented a lot of cars, but when I got this one I spent ten minutes completely dumbfounded trying to get it going. They gave me a key card but I couldn't figure out what to do with it. Swipe it, I guess, but where? I tried the door, but the pillar? Would've never guessed until looki…
I had the exact same experience as you, with one additional fun complication. Hertz never included the CCS charging adapter with my Telsa rental. Also they charged me $130 for not returning it. Fun car. Incredibly unintuitive. If you're renting an EV, make a checklist.
Just Tesla though. I have driven other EVs (Kia, Chevy, Toyota) and haven't had any of these problems.
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Sounds like a customer service issue, as a starter. In a long running business where "things just work" - due heavily as you point out to existing standards in product design, I can see the problems you ran into being an area that eventually starts to get overlooked at a large company; or perhaps there were people down the line who were pointing out this problem but no one at senior enough level with decision making…
My theory is that at a company that has a reputation of "disrupting the business" and being innovators, it's not easy to raise your concerns and tell everyone that maybe not all conventions are stupid, or even if they are, they are still conventions that the end users rely on for being able to interact with the car (change mirror, open the doors, change AC). You either raise a stink about not following conventions an…
There is a massive disconnect between the attitudes toward EV's of people who have owned EV's and those who have not. Range anxiety tends to dissipate after a short time of real world driving experience. You're just not going to rent EV's to many non-owners, even if they are going to be driving less than 100 miles (typical business trip where you fly then rent a car).
I’m not an EV owner but plan to be one on my next purchase. The EV renting experience is bad. I got one though Avis, I believe a Kia Niro. I was told that I’d be charged if I brought it back under 80%. It was at 81%. Ok fine, I’m driving less than 50 miles and returning it. I’ll find a charger, since my AirBNB didn’t have charger. We tried to use the on board map to find a charging station. It took us two tries to fi…
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Which is why h2 is the answer. h2 that is shown to work, regardless of all the hyperbole and reckless claims battery fans make.
One of the biggest upsides of an EV is that you charge at home. Always start in the morning fully charged. No "Dang, need to go to the station". H2 is definitely not a step in that direction so for me it's DOA.
For such people, and there's a lot of these people, h2 is less work (quicker fill up) than electric charging.
Right now, electric cars are targeting the wealthy. Wealthy people tend to have houses. That could certainly change, but even if it starts to target those with less fiscal fortitude, many such live in apartments with no charging infrastructure.
What then?