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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by irusensei » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:22 AM UTC

I have an 16GB M1 Pro and it's a great machine. I want to jump the shark on a M3 max. Feels like some computer that should last 4-5 years much like my m1. However I keep an ugly ass full AMD Asus ROG laptop running Linux for gaming.

I want to wait for the dust to settle on the Proton-like compatbility layer feature. I know crossover exists but past experiences lead me to believe is not as compatible as Proton. Back in 2021 I've tested various programs that worked well on Proton but not so well in Crossover. Hopefully the Metal enhancements fix it.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by spookie » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:22 AM UTC

raydev wrote: post #461

spookie wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not low/mid tier machines when talking about "consumer-grade".

Within the MacBook Pro lineup, they are objectively the low and mid-grade pricing tiers.

Fair enough, I was just arguing even Mac users might not have the cash or the patience to commit into another machine.

We've seen the same with Nvidia's GPUs going from the 10 to 20 series. If people don't perceive higher gains without compromises, they won't buy it.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by Toutouxc » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:23 AM UTC

brendannee wrote: post #386

Which M3 configuration is the best price/performance option for an average developer? Is there an obvious best choice?

Literally every single Apple Silicon MacBook with 16 GB of RAM can easily run your IDE, one or two VMs and/or some containers, your messaging app of choice and your browser. That's more than enough for most dev jobs out there. If your job actually requires more RAM or CPU grunt, you'll probably know. SoC, RAM and storage upgrades are kind of expensive from Apple, so the base models are always the most cost effective.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by klohto » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:29 AM UTC

prmoustache wrote: post #651

koito17 wrote: post #102

One thing that left me a bit confused was the comparison against Intel Macs. Although I am still using an Intel 16-inch MacBook, I really wanted to see how the M3 fared against the M2, not Intel and M1. I think it's no surprise the M3 exceeds the Intel Core i7-9750H in basically all of Apple's own benchmarking. My real question, which will probably be answered next week, is how it compares to the generation right bef…

A container that is idle and do not serve any request only really as memory in its footprint. There is no reason having tens or hundreds of processes not occupying cpu and i/o time would affect battery life in a significant manner.

Bro and where do you think the containers and scheduler run? There is a whole linux underneath running all the time

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by wslh » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:31 AM UTC

Really love the pace of Apple innovations. Nowadays, I am biased towards battery and weight (MacBook Air) if it is for portability and the other line of notebooks are converted into desktops via TB exactly because of weight and battery life. I feel the difference in battery use from one to the other. The Air seems like it has "infinite battery" evn when the others use Mx processors.

Also waiting for a great Linux port battery/weight wise.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by Toutouxc » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:33 AM UTC

shanghaikid wrote: post #294

M3 should not be in the macbook pro line. it only support one external display, should this laptop be called 'pro'

What does the number of external displays have to do with the laptop being "pro", whatever that means? My Air drives a single 43" screen at home, I literally can't fit more screens on my desk. At the office anyone can grab a screen (they're nice, 4K and around 27-30" I think), some people use them, some don't (e.g. people with 16" MacBooks).

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by goosedragons » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:44 AM UTC

Toutouxc wrote: post #717

goosedragons wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's arguably also a price increase over the outgoing 13" M2 MBP model it replaces which was $1300.

It doesn't really replace the 13" MBP. That was a weird in-between relic with the old screen, a TouchBar and a fan that the CPU didn't really need. Essentially an Air with a bunch of semi-useless upgrades. Both the actual 13" Air and the real 14" Pro were significantly better, more focused machines.

It does because it's the low-end MBP with the base M chip. The 14" M3 has a fan too.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by foldr » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:47 AM UTC

russelg wrote: post #716

foldr wrote: post #704

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're talking about the 13" model (now retired). As the previous poster said, the models that have been upgraded here have always been able to drive two displays.

The new base Macbook Pro M3 cannot drive two external displays. If you get all nit-picky you can say it drives two displays, as long as one of them is the internal display.

Ah, I see. I think this corresponds to the price drop, right? You can now get a 14" M3 MacBook Pro without a 'Pro' chip, whereas previously that price point was occupied by the 13" model. So essentially, for a given price point, your external display options have not changed much.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by davidcollantes » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:47 AM UTC

yreg wrote: post #384

I miss the 27" iMac. It was (is) such a neat mac and it was even a reasonable deal considering it came with a nice screen.

I was hoping—if not expecting—to see a refresh of the 27” iMac; I was ready to buy one! It disappointed me they simply upgraded the current 24”.

The new 24” are lovely, but I will miss the real estate (still using a "Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2015” one).

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by ballenf » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 11:49 AM UTC

nicoburns wrote: post #699

aatd86 wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait telemetry is opt-out? And I've never heard people complain? Genuinely surprised as it seems to be quite a commonly controversial thing amongst devs.

It’s opt-out, but it’s not enabled silently. It’s a pre-ticked checkbox on a screen you have to review when you first setup the machine (and when you do a major version OS upgrade). IMO that’s quite different to something that’s just silently on by default, and requires you to set an environment variable or run a command to opt out.

On a phone there is no box at all. It's two options to select. The opt-in is highlighted, but there is no "next" button -- you have to select an option.