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U.S. workers have gotten less productive – no one is sure why

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For future reference (and anyone following along later), that is an "ncurses" terminal application. You should see the customized JBHIFI terminal + keyboard.

So should we be doing demos in Bash, with an ncurses or gum workflow before going back to write the proper system in C?

I dont see the problem with this. What is "Gum workflow" in this context ?

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Regardless of personal beliefs, there's the other issues here. First, what does "massive growth in government" even mean? Do you mean in government meddling in people's personal lives, like restricting bodily autonomy for women or banning books? Yes, I agree. Do you mean in government spending? Sure, agreed, the numbers agree. But you seems to be referring to some other kinda vaguely defined concept of like... govern…

First, what does "massive growth in government" even mean? 1. the amount of money it spends 2. the amount of interference in the workings of the marketplace, usually called "unfunded mandates" where they put burdens on businesses > I feel like you're hinting at some kind of alternative that I can't possibly guess at. A much more limited government.

1. the amount of money it spends

yes, government spending increases, always. I'd need to be convinced this is inherently bad lol

2. the amount of interference in the workings of the marketplace, usually called "unfunded mandates" where they put burdens on businesses

What about subsidies, when businesses only exist because of government intervention at all? What about Harley Davidson? The banking sector?

> A much more limited government.

How limited? Is it allowed to prevent monopoly? You seem to know enough about the subject to know that making the state too limited will merely lead to the establishment of state power by monopolistic corporations instead, from plenty of historical examples.

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I had a coworker tell me that javascript should be added like color: stuff that makes it nicer to use for those that have it turned on, but not necessary for those that don't have it at all (or can't see color). Kind of a hard core position in my opinion considering it's ignoring the sometimes advantages / use cases for client side code (like complicated SPAs where the user is explicitly buying into the idea of runni…

In the same sentiment of 99% of companies are not Google and do not need Google's infrastructure. 99% of web applications are not Figma and probably do not need any client side JavaScript. The amount of JavaScript that's actually just wrong is incredible. 1. I don't care what your client side validation thinks . That is my email address. 2. Why are you serving people all of the news story if you are going to then hid…

Well both of your cases are things I happen to agree with just shouldn't be necessary anyway lol, like most of the times I'm giving up an email it's not because I want to get emails from these jerkwads that are trading some small amount of service for the right to blast me with marketing emails (and they ALWAYS ignore my choice on the "please don't send market emails" checkbox, if they even have one). And news stories that aren't served over RSS are ones I don't want to read... i hate the modern state of the internet-as-capitalist-entity.

So I don't disagree on merit alone, but it seems if we wanna do a good capitalism, we need to make sure people are actually giving us real emails apparently

Re: U.S. workers have gotten less productive – no one is sure why

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I'm pretty sure I know why... The working environment changed. Bit by bit I moved from an environment with gentleman's agreements and so on towards something in which everything was codified, safetyism became rampant, etc. In the UK over the past few years I went from going into a nice office in a number of beautiful old buildings, getting my stuff done with cameraderie, having lunch together and playing board games,…

Productivity went up during COVID. It is going down when we're making people return to the office

Re: U.S. workers have gotten less productive – no one is sure why

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Lots of people are productive WFH, but loads are taking it easy. Often in my team Fridays people barely dial in, maybe are connected a few hours max. Thursday afternoons now are dead as people get ready for the weekend... Job market is still strong so no one really cares that much as we know we're difficult to replace.

My remote employers have - and continue to - effectively subsidized a lot of my personal ventures in the last decade. Personal projects (software and art), learning skills (programming, instruments, video editing), improving at video games and sports. Not to mention leisure. All done "on the clock." To be honest, maybe the majority of the 40hrs I get "paid" for is actually used for this instead of company output?

My in office employer (prior to covid) was subsidizing these things for me. Your tax dollars hard at work.

Re: U.S. workers have gotten less productive – no one is sure why

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So should we be doing demos in Bash, with an ncurses or gum workflow before going back to write the proper system in C?

I dont see the problem with this. What is "Gum workflow" in this context ?

Neither do I.

It was supposed to be read:

A [ncurses or gum] workflow.

Gum being an alternative method of making a Bash UI.

https://github.com/charmbracelet/gum

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I've read that doctors now spend as much as 50% of their time documenting their work. Companies such as Epic, which provide the software that hospitals use to build databases of patient data, have been big winners in the new world of hospitals-depending-on-software. But did the doctors become more productive? By almost any measure, they became less productive. People in tech keep thinking more tech will solve problem…

More correctly, fundamentally software can never know when its rules should be broken.

Computers are just state machines, without determinism and a few other properties they do not perform work. Determinism means there is only one next possible state/action.

Breaking rules would imply there are two or more possible states or actions, and that is a class of problems that computers cannot solve (they talk about this in compiler design courses). Most people subscribe to magical thinking because they don't know how computers work, or what they are even.

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I work in EHR as of this year. About a week into the new job, one of the older software engineers made a comment about how what we do should really just be a function of the federal government. I was like, "but wouldn't we be out of a job of they did?" And he said, "sure, but we'll probably be dead by the time they figure it out anyway".

If you're in the US, the federal government actually created one one of the most widely used EHRs and set of clinical applications in the world, called VistA. It was made for the VA but is used outside of it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VistA It's actually public domain and open-source. Unfortunately the VA is in an ongoing project to replace it with Cerner Millennium.

A project that's not going well. VA system might be MUMPS based, but it's very good, as you say.

The big issue from my EHR-adjacent vantage point is that all the money is in making giant, entrenched EHRs, whereas the future should be in lighter-weight services that conform to standards, and competition is between those services. That way you could gradually slice off VA functionality piece by piece, and have a successful, more efficient, gradual migration.

Re: U.S. workers have gotten less productive – no one is sure why

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In the same sentiment of 99% of companies are not Google and do not need Google's infrastructure. 99% of web applications are not Figma and probably do not need any client side JavaScript. The amount of JavaScript that's actually just wrong is incredible. 1. I don't care what your client side validation thinks . That is my email address. 2. Why are you serving people all of the news story if you are going to then hid…

Well both of your cases are things I happen to agree with just shouldn't be necessary anyway lol, like most of the times I'm giving up an email it's not because I want to get emails from these jerkwads that are trading some small amount of service for the right to blast me with marketing emails (and they ALWAYS ignore my choice on the "please don't send market emails" checkbox, if they even have one). And news storie…

But you don't need client side JavaScript for that.

In fact, it makes the experience generally worse.

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> Those "gentleman's agreements" were not that great if you happened to be a woman, gay or any other minority. You just say that like it's a fact, but... why would that be the case?

Because one can break gentlemen agreement against people with lower social status. Also, because low key bullying or lying about or whatever of people with lower social status is acceptable for gentlemen.

Again, you say that like it's a fact. Gentlemens agreements can be broken with everyone. Low key bullying or lying about is not acceptable for anyone for gentlemen. You seem to have a misunderstanding what "gentlemen agreement" means. It's not limited to upper class men, or men at all. Everyone can have gentlemens agreements with anyone, it means "two or more people who implicitly agree on a thing".
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