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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by rchaud »

aborochoff wrote: post #195
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

So apparently its evident to a lot of people on hacker news that kanye has a mental illness and is making bad decisions because of it. If this is the case why hasnt someone tried to take power of attorney or something similar here?

This is simply the latest in a long line of erratic behavior, which eld to a pretty public divorce. The man has no friends or family left, only yes-men.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by monopoliessuck »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #529
monopoliessuck wrote: post #497

There's a really concerning trend on HN and elsewhere I'm seeing. Everyone now seems to think free speech is too dangerous to try and promote anymore. It's been a shift over a couple years. I'm not supporting Ye or any of his bullshit, but some of the comments on here are really chillingly authoritarian. Parler isn't going to be able to maintain "free speech" even if they or Kanye want it to, which I seriously doubt…

The idea that it's important to have a mainstream and consequence-free venue for all forms of speech may be your belief but it is not mine. My belief is that public forums with reach into the tens or hundreds of millions are fertile ground for nationalist and genocidal movements, and they will be used for that purpose if it is not actively prevented . Moderation of wide-reach public forums with the goal of preventing…

> the idea that the only correct stance is yours and all moral, rational people will converge on it is ridiculous.

I never said that. Conversations exist to be had, good ideas should be promoted and bad ideas disproven and cast aside. Ideas should be considered and judged on their merits, even ones I don't agree with. There's certainly no requirement for any individual to engage.

Despite calling me out, there's irony inherent here in that you believe your stance is the only one that deserves to even be considered. Censoring those that do not believe as you do is the definition of believing you have the "only correct stance".

People do and should have the option to curtail speech in their spaces as they see fit. I choose to converse on platforms that limit my and other's speech minimally. That's not an endorsement of "nationalist or genocidal movements".

> Moderation of wide-reach public forums with the goal of preventing movements causing mass death and misery...

Claimed goals are always rosy until they aren't. Individuals habituated to not having to determine truth for themselves are ultimately doing themselves a disservice. That said, if people prefer platforms that censor certain content, then those platforms will thrive; that's fine and they have. I don't think though that information freedom is on most people's radars when they choose a social media platform. A lot of this legislation that requires mandated strict moderation will only work to entrench big players that can pay to do so.

I'm not a racist genocidal nationalist and I don't follow nor broadcast their content. I still don't want their existence in the public sphere to limit my expression. They're not that important and we shouldn't make them out to be.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by stale2002 »

jonathanyc wrote: post #119
mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

I don't like how "I'm a free speech absolutist" has become "I want to force you to read my toxic rants, even when you try to get away from me." You yourself say 4chan is "barely bearable." What free speech has meant historically is "I don't believe the government should be able to criminalize certain kinds of speech." It never meant "I am entitled to insert garbage into someone else's newspaper or book" until people…

That is what the block button is for.

Most people who are in favor of free speech, are perfectly fine with you personally clicking the block button.

Instead, what they don't want, is a centralized platform preventing consenting parties from engaging with each other.

See the difference?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by AlexandrB »

999900000999 wrote: post #650

What if your favorite artist didn't die at 27... He becomes Kanye. Apart of this is a challenge to his audience. Do you STILL listen?

Or Leonard Cohen, or Elton John, or David Bowie, or Dave Grohl. Not every artist who gets old becomes a weirdo with bizarre opinions.

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Post by peyton »

krustyburger wrote: post #668
Maursault wrote: post #534

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> but I can see almost anyone falling into the exact same trap hes fallen into if they lived his life. Kanye is a garden variety manic-depressive. It has likely been exacerbated by stress and self-medicating with the wrong drugs, causing instability, paranoia and delusion. Bipolar disorder is genetic, it doesn't develop due to no one being able to say "no" to them. What you are describing, however, is one way that Na…

What drugs do you think he’s abusing? That’s quite a claim to make.

IIRC it came up in a couple lawsuits with his insurance company a while back.

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Post by colinmhayes »

philippejara wrote: post #719
colinmhayes wrote: post #232

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> Maybe everyone exposed to something should be re-exposed to the theme once there's a new development. This doesn't work. Show people two articles, one that is false and one that is true, and most people will say the one that aligns with their priors is true. We need to either teach people to recognize fake news, censor fake news, or accept that basically everyone will believe false propaganda. There are no other op…

And who is going to decide what those "fake news" are to censor and how will you assume they won't fall into the exact same trap of wanting to believe in what they already agree with. We're hot off the heels of hunter biden, surely that should be a wakeup call regarding how "misinformation experts" go both ways.

No clue. All I know is that if we don't censor fake news people will believe it, no matter how much evidence to the contrary they are shown. Maybe we just have to accept that.

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Post by jeffwask »

diceduckmonk wrote: post #300
jeffwask wrote: post #115

Candace Owens really played Ye.

You don't become a multi-billionaire being the one that's played.

Nope, you do it by exploiting the less fortunate. Kayne is now among the less fortunate who suffer from untreated mental health issues.

(The aforementioned mental health issues do not excuse antisemitism or other anti-social behaviors.)

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Post by spywaregorilla »

filoleg wrote: post #678
LegitShady wrote: post #629

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>Kanye also broke into luxury/high-end fashion the secret here is that the emperor has no clothes, and Kanye's fashion garbage is equally as garbage as the rest of the high end fashion culture. It's not that kanye's that good, it's that its all a crock of dogfood with high end price tags and people who won't say anything trying to fit in for access to the wealthy.

Just because you don't understand an entire art-form and the industry attached to it, that doesn't make it all "garbage". Might as well go on to say that all modern art or modern cuisine is garbage, and sound just as ridiculous while doing so. Spoiler alert: weird artsy high-fashion pieces you see on runways are not expected to be sold or worn in real life. Just like visual design of concept cars isn't what's expecte…

Doesn't make it good either though. A lot of "modern" art was artists claiming that traditional lenses and standards held too much authority and fuck off. We're going to do draw squares and they're going to be cool. Challenging "what does it mean to be good". Cool.

A lot of "post modern" art is this idea that it doesn't matter what you think, fuck you, I made this thing and it may even feel purposefully bad, and if I say it's good, it's a valid perspective. Which is really just kind of a post truth drain on society if you ask me; and is a really toxic thing when it's driven by tribalism and mass media to claim "this is good because a lot of people are saying it's good".

High end fashion is not very approachable to most people. A lot of it is just speaking back and forth within a very insular community. Most of it is absurd from the get go. Good art should be evocative of something.

FWIW, Kanye's fashion to me seems like it wants me to call it bad. Dreary. Unattractive. Poor, but.. in a way that seems like its asking for victimization rather than express something about poverty.

And for that I think it's actually bad.

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Post by btbuildem »

shafyy wrote: post #43
tgv wrote: post #34

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Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? > The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable. Sounds like a hint to me. There are more free speech sites, e.g. saidit.net. I would wholeheartedly recommend staying away from it: it's a cesspool, like the other reddit wannabes. Voat also comes to mind. Freedom of speech on such sites…

> Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? This is exactly the right question to ask. I'm convinced that it's not possible to have constructive "free speech" social media platform. There's always the need for moderation.

I agree, but I'd like to play with what "moderation" means. A great example of when moderation fails / is abused is Reddit, or the big socials like IG. The bots can be overly sensitive / have lots of false positives, and the individuals in charge of moderation are not accountable to anyone (except maybe advertisers, indirectly).

I would like to see a platform where moderation exists, but it's "opt-in" only. Meaning, the mods / bots can tag / categorize user posts, and other users can control the visibility of tagged material. This way everything -- the most vile, twisted, hateful and disturbing things are still permitted a place to exist, but they're effectively shadowbanned by individual choice. Start with some sane defaults, and allow people to peel back the lid on the box of horrors if they want to.

This could work with age-restrictions (users below a certain age cannot see certain tags) as well as satisfy advertisers that their ads are shown next to the most innoffensive, oatmeal-bland content (they choose tags next to which their ads are never shown).

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Post by btbuildem »

mariusor wrote: post #109
shafyy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? This is exactly the right question to ask. I'm convinced that it's not possible to have constructive "free speech" social media platform. There's always the need for moderation.

I think moderation should be about the words that are being said, not the ideas that are being discussed. A free speech platform should allow a wide range of topics, but it's not expected to stand for all manner of trolling and bad faith argumentation. I think that conflating the two is tripping a lot of people up in the debate about the topic.

So how does that work when a hip-hop artist says the n-word vs a neonazi says the n-word?
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