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Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by andrepd »

robertlagrant wrote: post #664
CPLX wrote: post #651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see this argument over and over again but it’s the exception that proves the rule. Most of the time when it’s made it’s just papering over yer another situation where a surplus is being squeezed out of a transaction by a parasitic manager class using principal-agent problem dynamics. The people who invented this stuff are always trying to tell you they’ve invented the cotton gin or something when in fact they’ve…

What was described wasn't the principal-agent problem. If I'm an employee and my job becomes simpler or more productive through an automation investment by someone else, I don't think I deserve part of the increased profit unless I'm part of a profit-sharing agreement that would also see me absorb losses.

> unless I'm part of a profit-sharing agreement that would also see me absorb losses

And how many workers even have the possibility of an arrangement like this, i.e. a worker-owned cooperative?

Yes, that is exactly the point. When a labour-saving technological development comes along, it's payday to the capital-having class and dreary times for the labour-doing class.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

andrepd wrote: post #730
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #652

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>sold by emotionally exploiting people in rich countries under the guise of “fashion”. only emotionally crippled people like fashion, if they were healthy they would all dress in gray unitards and march in formation towards the glorious future! hey I too have often been carried away by my own rhetoric but come on!

We definitely don't need to change wardrobes entirely 2x per year, at great cost in externalities such as pollution from all the shipping. I'm sure you understood that this is the point.

I assumed that this was the point but that latexr had been carried away by their rhetoric, like perhaps to the point of sounding a little bit loony, hence the line:

>hey I too have often been carried away by my own rhetoric but come on!

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by efdee »

carom wrote: post #658
efdee wrote: post #549

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Claiming Github's Copilot is Microsoft's "Extinguish" step against open source _is_ the mental gymnastics.

It really isn't mental gymnastic. Copilot, the model, is a program that is a derivative work of open source code. It should be open source.

That is another discussion. He is not claiming that it should be open source - he is claiming it is created to destroy open source.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by w0m »

OJFord wrote: post #544
_ryanjsalva wrote: post #313

Howdy, folks. Ryan here from the GitHub Copilot product team. I don’t know how the original poster’s machine was set-up, but I’m gonna throw out a few theories about what could be happening. If similar code is open in your VS Code project, Copilot can draw context from those adjacent files. This can make it appear that the public model was trained on your private code, when in fact the context is drawn from local fil…

> We’ve found this happens in 150 characters that match public data. If you’re not already using the filter, I recommend turning it on by visiting the Copilot tab in user settings. How is that a solution though? OP isn't upset that he's regenerated his own work via Copilot, he's upset that others can unknowingly & without attribution.

Is the answer here something like Black Duck to scan local code and compare it upstream for similarities? Normalize it as a precommit hook potentially.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by colinmhayes »

aziaziazi wrote: post #629
cdogl wrote: post #591

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It’s difficult for me to see how 2022 is worse than 1816 all things considered.

Durability, quality and reparability. Most fabrics build today are so fragile and needs to be replaced soon, despite the advance in material and weaving. Most highly qualified workers loves what they do and would stand for keeping they’re output quality up. On the contrary interchangeable cheap workers have no real incentive to that. The factory’s manager is left alone in charge to balance quality versus cheapness, a…

> Most fabrics build today are so fragile and needs to be replaced soon

Because that's what people want. You can get high quality clothes for much cheaper than you could in 1816, but people prefer disposable clothes so they can change their look more often. This is just producers responding to demand.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by viridian »

drran wrote: post #570
ShamelessC wrote: post #266

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Having worked for a couple of big companies with IT, you should know they are effectively all breaking the law already in this regard (except for maybe hardware companies) because it’s basically impossible to enforce and no one cares. The best way to make sure your code isn’t copied is not to publish it.

Can you name one of these big, rich, and careless companies, please?

I can, roughly. One of the big international US based financial institution. Zero real concern for any licensing associated with software, across multiple teams I'd worked on in multiple lines of business. You find a library that works, you use it. Present in systems that touch dollars in the trillions per week.

I always found this weird while I was working at this company, but then, they have no reason to care about ephemeral threats that have never been brought to bear in a meaningful way. No consequences = no reason to spend literal billions retooling the entire tech side of your company over a decade.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by colinmhayes »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #710
robertlagrant wrote: post #592

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It's true that a lot of the fashion industry appears to be pretty disgusting. But that doesn't mean that it would be better if fewer of the steps were automated.

Local communities would be stronger and more resilient with more local crafts-people providing meaningful labor within said communities. Currently, everything is extraction and the US is rotting from the inside out because of it.

Or people would consume less and therefore be poorer.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by [deleted] »

efdee wrote: post #733
carom wrote: post #658

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It really isn't mental gymnastic. Copilot, the model, is a program that is a derivative work of open source code. It should be open source.

That is another discussion. He is not claiming that it should be open source - he is claiming it is created to destroy open source.

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Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by sngz »

efdee wrote: post #733
carom wrote: post #658

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really isn't mental gymnastic. Copilot, the model, is a program that is a derivative work of open source code. It should be open source.

That is another discussion. He is not claiming that it should be open source - he is claiming it is created to destroy open source.

I didn't claim such a thing, my claim is Microsoft's purchase of Github is not good for open source.

Re: GitHub Copilot, with “public code” blocked, emits my copyrighted code

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Post by logifail »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #719
dark-star wrote: post #627

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BitTorrent (and, to a larger degree, EDonkey) did and still do that. Who tells you that what you're downloading is indeed what you think it is. You can click on a magnet link that claims to download a Debian ISO just to find out later that it's something else entirely. To make matters worse, BitTorrent even uploads to potentially hundreds of other clients while you're still downloading, so while downloading something…

> You can click on a magnet link that claims to download a Debian ISO just to find out later that it's something else entirely This is just fear mongering, the same exact thing can happen with a web browser, I click a link to view an image of a cat but... oops, it was actually a Getty copyrighted picture of a dog! Oh nooooo. On the web that sort of thing is actually common, but bit torrent? I have never downloaded a…

> I click a link to view an image of a cat but... oops, it was actually a Getty copyrighted picture of a dog! Oh nooooo

Sorry, what?

Downloading copyrighted content is very, very rarely the problem.

It's the uploading (the sharing!) of copyrighted content where you actually get into trouble.

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