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> A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU and most people living within it would disagree with this statement.
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Lagging horribly in what way?
EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
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This is such a short sighted view. What just happened is, EU, a political organization enforcing the use of a technology on a company which operates on free market. It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to…
> It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. This is so hilariously wrong. It's in Apple's best interest to do whatever makes them the most money. Sometimes that happens to coincide with what customers want, but it often doesn't, _especially_ in a market with a duopoly with an incredibly high affinity for lock-in.
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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#733As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…
Lightning is a better connector for small devices and it's more durable in my experience. USB-C is way better than micro as a connector but you end up with the issue of many kinds of cables that look similar but are not interchangeable. What speed? PD support? Power only? Who knows! Maybe switching to a less durable connector or no connector is fine given that Qi support has gotten pretty good. Most of the Lightning…
They are interchangeable but may not charge as fast or transfer data as fast. So they are still useful.
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#734Isn't the reason we're comfortable with mandating USB-C the fact that it's been implemented successfully in so many devices already? How's that supposed to work next time around? Will politicians or bureaucrats pick the next standard in a vacuum of real-world implementation/testing? I'm skeptical they'll do that well.
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#735As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…
Lightning is a better connector for small devices and it's more durable in my experience. USB-C is way better than micro as a connector but you end up with the issue of many kinds of cables that look similar but are not interchangeable. What speed? PD support? Power only? Who knows! Maybe switching to a less durable connector or no connector is fine given that Qi support has gotten pretty good. Most of the Lightning…
> Lightning is a better connector for small devices it's more durable in my experience
It's less durable in my experience. I can do this all day.
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
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> I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. yes, this is an interesting statement. and it's true. basically in the countries that form the European Union Android has a higher market share than iOS. in some big countries like Germany, Spain, France and Italy Android has between 60% to 70% of the market. but what's more int…
Not only that Android is cheaper but also the mean income in countries where Android is prevalent is lower than those where iOS is, with exceptions like Germany, France (I'd need to see market share data from these exceptions)
iOS popularity correlates more with the use of English as a first language than mean income: Germany and France are huge "exceptions" for income.
In all likelihood, iPhone popularity is cultural (i.e. popular in the Anglosphere), which has an incestuous media/advertising landscape where Apple is seen as cool/hip.
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
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There's nothing wise or moral about this decision. Mandating a technology standard, purely for personal preference and convenience reasons -- not for reasons related to safety, or pollution, or security -- especially for things that change as fast as phones, is one of the most short-sighted and naive things any government could do. There's a long history of Apple using proprietary connectors to achieve performance sp…
Apple hasn't changed the 'fast-changing' lightning connector since 2012, and USB-A lasted from 1996 to, well, present. USB-C came out in 2014 and is likely going to outlive us both. Connectors simply don't change that fast, and I'm not sure why people think they do. I think even the EU can regulate on that kind of schedule.
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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#738Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is such a short sighted view. What just happened is, EU, a political organization enforcing the use of a technology on a company which operates on free market. It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to…
> This is such a short sighted view. It's not. The EU tried to do it the easy way, where companies would agree amongst themselves. This was finally accomplished in 2009[1] by every one except Apple. [1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009/06/10-companies-agree-t... After 13 years, the EU is finally forcing Apple. > EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money We're also voting with our…
> We're also voting with our votes and most of us agree with that the EU is doing here.
Never voted for crap like this or the GDPR. I voted for strong leadership against Russian aggression or not becoming energy dependent of an evil regime, but I guess mandating trivialities is so much easier.
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#739Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lightning is a better connector for small devices and it's more durable in my experience. USB-C is way better than micro as a connector but you end up with the issue of many kinds of cables that look similar but are not interchangeable. What speed? PD support? Power only? Who knows! Maybe switching to a less durable connector or no connector is fine given that Qi support has gotten pretty good. Most of the Lightning…
> Lightning is a better connector for small devices it's more durable in my experience It's less durable in my experience. I can do this all day.
I don't see how USB-C can be more durable considering there's a plastic post on the female side holding the pins. That's an obvious failure point.
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#740...its requirements will start to apply to new devices after 24 months
I can't help but feel like USB-C may be superceded by something better by then.