Some interesting meta observations for the few people who read my comment in this already enormous thread. I noticed that opinions on the issue seemed split rather 50/50 until I started seeing the same couple of names over and over on the "no evidence of cheating" side. And in fact, searching the HTML document for this page for a particularly prolific name yields that they make up about 10% of all posts in the thread…
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#732they should play a game inside one of these: https://www.ets-lindgren.com/products/shielding/rf-shielded-...
It wouldn't do much good since Stockfish could easily run on a raspberry pi or similar inside of that, say, in a player's shoe
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#734Carlson should just challenge Niemann to a 30 game over the board televised match in their shorts (no shoes, no shirt) at Madison Square Garden. With the revenue generated from ticket sales and advertising, they could both retire and international chess can put this episode behind them.
I can think of at least one way to cheat that would not be detectable by any of the screening methods I've seen suggested so far, but that only works if the cheaters can get reasonably private access to the venue before the match to hide some equipment. (I'm not going to go into details). Playing a match in a big venue like MSG that holds numerous other events would make doing this easier. There are concerts there fo…
Bands travel with their own crew, so they'd have to get hired on as a roadie (which is not unskilled labor) where ever the tour was put together. Not so simple, because once you see the date at MSG, it's way too late to get on that crew, and if they do get on a crew, how would they know they're going to play MSG before the manager does?
I'm not certain, but I assume MSG is a union shop, so a local hire to work there would require joining the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (ISTSG), and being a productive member for years before having enough seniority to be able to choose where they want to work.
Promoters and event organizers hire temps (you'll notice young people wearing black shirts with "SECURITY," emblazoned on them at shows, the only unskilled labor available), but the first time they'd get to be on location is during the event, and they have to work.
While your plan sounds simple enough, the reality is it would not be possible even with years of preparation. You can volunteer in public theater or go to work for an event provider to further understand why, but I'll just tell you. There is too much competition from all the individuals that have made a career out of it as well as the exponentially larger group competing to land their career. How many chess team members have a degree in theater arts, film/video production, recording arts or communications? How many of these graduates do you think are able to make a career out of their degrees? It is insanely competitive. My understanding is to, say, get into set design at a venue in New York City, you'd need a Masters degree in set design and a metric shitton of luck.
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#735Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is another example of the very common pattern of 90% of the contributions in online discourse come from 10% of the population with 90% of post coming from a 1% minority of the overall population. It's not unusual at all.
60+ comments in a single HN thread is common?
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#736Here is a crazy idea. If you get caught cheating, even once, you should be banned for life. Otherwise we end up in a lose-lose situation. It’s almost impossible for Magnus to prove Niemann cheated on that game. It’s impossible for Niemann to prove he didn’t cheat. But shouldn’t matter. He was caught cheating before, he shouldn’t have been allowed to compete again. I don’t remember Ben Johnson or Lance Armstrong getti…
Permanent ban is standard punishment for cheating in lots of things in life. It's bizarre to me that it's not so in chess. Was he only caught while under 18. I can understand giving a second chance to children.
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#737Here is a crazy idea. If you get caught cheating, even once, you should be banned for life. Otherwise we end up in a lose-lose situation. It’s almost impossible for Magnus to prove Niemann cheated on that game. It’s impossible for Niemann to prove he didn’t cheat. But shouldn’t matter. He was caught cheating before, he shouldn’t have been allowed to compete again. I don’t remember Ben Johnson or Lance Armstrong getti…
Permanent ban is standard punishment for cheating in lots of things in life. It's bizarre to me that it's not so in chess. Was he only caught while under 18. I can understand giving a second chance to children.
My guess? Over 30%
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#738Earlier quoted context omitted.
Considering it only needs to be powered for a single match it seems very possible to me with over the counter components.
It's a pretty straightforward calculation, which I don't feel like doing right now. But I think Stockfish is going to be pretty power-hungry at the grandmaster level.
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#739Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the difference ? Many online games have the same player base and prize pools, and some have way more dimensions than chess.
Chess has a rating system, and we know what the best humans rate out at compared to the best chess engines, and we know the likelihood of lower ranked players beating higher ranked ones, just depending on how much difference there is, and where in the ratings the two players are. Chess is not some video game one person perfected playing.
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#740Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is against terms of use here, many of us have been nailed stating similar for other posts. The guideline is "assume the best" (or something like that).
Thanks. Edited such that my post isn't so targeted, at least. If it's still insufficient and gets taken down, it happens. I think my post is far less interesting than the observed behavior I mention.