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Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by zenith035 »

mdaniel wrote: post #691
zenith035 wrote: post #603

If people have small communities on slack they can use Niche Community https://niche.community

I find that landing page insulting to anyone who might want to learn what that product is and why I should use it. So your webpage allows me to play basketball or go hiking together, is that what it does? Only by going to "the changelog" link, because I'm a curious fellow, does one find the discovery page and see an actual implementation: https://niche.community/niche/pzd3x67l0gmqn/hackernews/ > What is the current s…

Thanks for feedback.

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by folkrav »

dalmo3 wrote: post #324
folkrav wrote: post #156

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Hmm, I'm genuinely curious: why? I tend to heavily dislike anything infinite-scrolling...

Have you tried it? Check it out e.g. [1]. 1) You immediately get to see the date range of the thread. 2) You can instantly navigate to any date or position in that range. 3) Thus, it's not really infinite scrolling. At all. The only similarity is lazy loading, for long threads. 4) On mobile, you also get to preview the comments before actually jumping to it. [1] https://meta.discourse.org/t/switch-from-gravatar-to-ht…

It's not as awful as I would have suspected from the description, but I still don't really like it. Bar the fancy "scrollbar" timeline they give you to jump directly somewhere in the page - which does alleviate that problem I mentioned a little - it does feel exactly like infinite scrolling to me, I'm not sure where you're making the distinction between lazy loading and this. The content does physically appear later on the page, making the scrollbar jump around, which I heavily dislike. This renders the native scrollbar pretty much useless as a reference point.

The mobile preview is probably a nice touch, though.

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by [deleted] »

Sharparam wrote: post #471
masklinn wrote: post #396

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> Have you tried it? Yes, it’s awful. > Check it out e.g. Oh lord. 40 comments? That’s a single page of traditional forums. How does it work when you have 1e4? 1e5? 1e6? And yes I do mean threads of a million comments.

How is navigating millions of comments in a paginated thread any better? That's more than 25 000 pages.

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Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by h0l0cube »

oarmstrong wrote: post #632
h0l0cube wrote: post #263

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> I've never personally seen any discourse communities that are as thriving and active as the phpBB, SMF, VBulletin, forums they replaced I think discoverability by search engines is very different from a forum. A better analogy to Discourse is IRC (or maybe Facebook groups). A better analogy to forums, is Reddit. Arguably the contemporaries are more feature rich, though becoming a little walled-in as time goes by.

Are you perhaps conflating Discord and Discourse? Discourse is certainly a forum in my eyes.

I was :facepalm:

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by alex-korr »

joshstrange wrote: post #281
joshspankit wrote: post #208

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True, but there’s also something vital that does not show on the balance sheet (and can sink companies): Excellent tools spread through the best kind of word of mouth. Excellent tools that are free spread even faster and further. There’s no way to know how many corporate plans were sold because a single team member relied on Slack outside of work, or how many pro user accounts exist because someone was visiting a Sla…

It's very similar to Salesforce's Heroku move. They either just don't care about that sales funnel and they remove it completely or they will keep squeezing until they kill it.

They are doing something similar to Tableau. They have been actively rolling out features only available to subscription based customers - ie if you own perpetual licenses and only paying x% yearly for maintenance you are starting to get less product than their subscription customers. It is nuts and is driving us to actively consider PowerBI which is like Teams is included with the enterprise license.

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by 0xedd »

tebbers wrote: post #605
nmcela wrote: post #412

I'm grateful to Slack for their changes in the free plan, it forced our hands. We realized it's obvious we can't trust any of these external SaaS services, in the long run they will ALWAYS change the terms and somehow fuck the customers, paying or not. And then you will lose all the invaluable information and data that belongs to you. This has happened with other services we've used in the past too. So we decided to…

You're not a customer, you don't pay for the product. If you want to be treated like a customer, then pay for the product. This entitlement mindset is extraordinary. Slack was literally paying for you to use their product. Regardless, it sounds like you're happy with your move.

Does that mean you'll have no problem if Google deletes your email account, GitHub your repos and HN your posts (as well as put all threads behind a paywall)?

Honk honk.

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Post by pritambaral »

icelancer wrote: post #162

Does anyone use Zulip that used to use Slack? Our developers have a ton of webhooks on Slack bots and integration. I see no good guides for porting them over and there's a four year old Github ticket with zero responses asking about it. Anyone have experience with this? I'd love to self-host Zulip and save $10k/year on Slack, but if it's gonna cost me $20k+ in dev salaries to migrate the webhook notifications, ah for…

Zulip has Slack-compatible incoming webhooks. Is that not sufficient?

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by SubiculumCode »

icelancer wrote: post #170
SubiculumCode wrote: post #17

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Just migrate to Mattermost?

I tried this and the server crashed a ton and was unstable; I used their official deployment guides to a DigitalOcean VPS. Nuked the VPS and stuck with Slack. I'll probably give Zulip a try before I go back to Mattermost.

yeah, ive been running mattermost on a server for years. Very stable.

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by webmobdev »

watwut wrote: post #700
webmobdev wrote: post #626

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Very true. Reminds me of what Seth Godin wrote on how the internet has changed people's behaviour: > Most people, most of the time, don't buy things if there's a free substitute available. A hundred million people hear a pop song on the radio and less than 1 percent will buy a copy. Millions will walk by a painting in a museum, but very few have prints, posters or even inexpensive original art in their homes. (In the…

One obvious difference is that hairdressers don't run around yelling "free haircuts we will give you free haircuts look at us how we give away free haircuts". What the companies are doing here is that they are trying to kill paid competition, hold on longer and raise prices once competitors don't exists. They really dont have a standing to complain about situation they themselves created in the hope that competition…

> Now, this analogy does not work at all, because going by the painting in the museum in no way implies you would want it at home.

You are talking from a buyer's perspective (the museum visitor) whereas he is talking from the seller's perspective (the museum / artist). The seller hopes that by allowing you free or cheap access to the art, you may be tempted to buy a copy of it or some memento of it (which is one of the ways museums / artists make money).

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

oxfordmale wrote: post #470
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #449

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How can you possibly measure that?

This concept of market saturation is a well known concept, however, you forgot one important part, the next generation. It is well known under marketeers that is it is hard to change habits. An 80 year old is not suddenly going to change toothpaste brand because they saw an amazing ad on television. However, a rebellious teenager/young adult will want to pick their own toothpaste brand, and are susceptible to marketi…

There's something to me about this that smells like it leads to bad assumptions; especially on things that have unforseen effects. You could argue that the internet was saturated in the 80s based on being connected only by a few universities. I don't think this is a well known science by any means or a well known concept.
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