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Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by scollet »

pojzon wrote: post #300
femto113 wrote: post #289

Amazon's scale encounters limits that most companies don't ever have to consider. There's a parallel from 20ish years ago: Amazon eschewed software performance engineering with the mantra "if it can be solved with a credit card [i.e. you can buy more hardware] don't worry about it now". That worked up to the day they called the company that made their database server and asked to upgrade and were told "you already ha…

In single master architecture this is inevitable. At some point you wont be able to throw more hardware. Thats why multi-master architecture was created in the first place.

Single "manager" or "distributor" you mean

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by scollet »

booboofixer wrote: post #29
jaywalk wrote: post #14

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I'm not sure how you can remotely work a warehouse job, which is what this article is about.

Control the amazon warehouse robots from your bed.

Should be easier to break scab pigs holding the blue line.

Presumably the bots are resistant to tasers and gunfire.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by scollet »

corrral wrote: post #141
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #39

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Have you considered that those customers and workers are mostly the same people? There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. See: https://www.workers.org/2021/12/60560/

Exactly—it's entirely infeasible to live in the modern world and keep up with every step of the supply chain for every product and service you use, even if the information were readily available, which it very much is not. It's not even close to being possible. That's what laws setting floors on how shitty product-safety/work-conditions/worker-pay/et c. can get, are for. Doesn't work so hot in a world where we grant…

> and keep up with every step of the supply chain for every product and service you use

So okay. The onus is never on the individual. It's on the collective. Businesses owe us. Business owners owe us.

They can pay or they can burn.

That is the deal.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by scollet »

mtnGoat wrote: post #63
zwieback wrote: post #45

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Not really what the article says - Amazon's enforced-churn policy leads to workers that want to continue working there being fired for no good reason.

You could argue the reason is that they weren’t good enough.

The workers are always good enough though. This comment doesn't make any sense.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by scollet »

russh wrote: post #93
azemetre wrote: post #31

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It's kind of interesting because Amazon has built a reputation for being absolutely ruthless to their workers (not just delivery or warehouse). You have the notorious NYT article from 2015 (the article mentions this): https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-... The online perception is that it has only gotten worse. It doesn't take much to find stories on teamblind, twitter, reddit, or even hacker…

I have a friend that works in an Amazon data center and he describes the work environment as “Have you seen any of the hunger games movies?”

Like batoru rowaiaru? Or...?

Cause I'm pretty sure that is about the emergent workforce and subjugation of academics into kamikaze roles.

So I assume that's what you mean.

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Post by suture »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #715
suture wrote: post #711

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… because in that case there's nothing stopping the slaves from leaving Obviously this is false and you can find examples of people being enslaved in countries where it is outlawed. There are plenty of examples of an enslaved person being prevented from escaping even in the presence of laws prohibiting slavery. It’s as if you don’t understand human behavior. You have a fanciful notion of slavery and what it entails.…

> There are plenty of examples of an enslaved person being prevented from escaping even in the presence of laws prohibiting slavery. It’s as if you don’t understand human behavior. Or perhaps it's as if I'm labeling that prevention a "societal regulation". Go look at my comment again.

You are being deliberately obtuse. There are people who are enslaved in societies where slavery is illegal and, as a whole, considered evil by a very large majority of the population. People are sometimes kept in bondage by force and that force does not come from the government or by the society at large or by that societies views or consent. Of course, all of this is obvious and thus you are clearly trolling. If not, then you are a sad example.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by mikem170 »

alangibson wrote: post #691
chickenpotpie wrote: post #379

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1) prices were already universally high in Switzerland 2) swiss government regulates the price of healthcare 3) Switzerland uses significantly less fossil fuels and aren't as effected by the war in Ukraine 4) Switzerland passed multiple laws over the past few years to reduce the cost of goods, including banning foreign companies from charging Swiss citizens more

You forgot 5) mic drop

> You forgot 5) mic drop

Hardly. The parent reminded me of other issues affecting inflation in the U.S. - things I would chalk up to a sub-omptimal reglatory/legislative environment, which has made a mess over the decades of health care, housing, energy, social spending, and taxes. Congress is somewhat disfunctional, and can't agree on fiscal policies that might help in our current situation. That leaves only the fed to intervene, as best they can. That's not a supply problem.

Also, how could injecting 7 trillion dollars directly into the economy not have an effect on prices? Supply and demand were both affected by the U.S. pandemic response, not just supply as you asserted earlier.

Are you saying that the 7 trillion dollars of money given to small business owners and as stimulas checks had no affect on prices?

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by dragonwriter »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #672
dragonwriter wrote: post #671

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> the slaves still get paid in food, clothing, and housing. If those are in the form of earned compensation to which the slave is entitled (which, sure, along with actual wages is common in some historical forms of slavery, but not really the norm in chattel slavery), they are benefits, not wages. If they are (as is typically the case with chattel slavery) discretionary items given at the pleasure of the employer bas…

> If those are in the form of earned compensation to which the slave is entitled (which, sure, along with actual wages is common in some historical forms of slavery, but not really the norm in chattel slavery), they are benefits, not wages. Pure sophistry. There is no reason to call the same thing by two different names. Ask the IRS whether the food and housing your employer gives you count as wages. > If they are (a…

> Ask the IRS whether the food and housing your employer gives you count as wages.

Ok, but, that works against you, because it is never counted as wages.

If it is provided to attract or retain employees it is treated as a taxable fringe benefit.

If it is provided on the employer’s business premises, for the employer’s convenience, as a condition of employment, it is not taxed for the employee at all.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by philsnow »

destroy-2A wrote: post #676
philsnow wrote: post #547

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What services aren't currently integrated with IAM / didn't launch with IAM integration?

Also when IAM integration is there it has patchy support for resource condition wildcards and condition keys which are usually not documented

Totally agreed there. Also condition keys have such a high cognitive load; I can never ever remember the exact spelling of them or whether I need StringEqual or StringIsEqualIfExists or whatever other operator. The documentation has tons of prose about what service-specific keys to expect, but nearly 100% of the time when I'm trying to do something non-trivial with IAM, I end up finding the answer on somebody's blog rather than the documentation.

All of this because the policy language and featureset started off simple enough that it was reasonable to describe policies in json. I sort of wish that they would keep the existing policy stuff as-is but have an escape hatch that let us write lua (or JS or eBPF or something) as "policies", and charge us for the compute time.

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