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Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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I work for non-tech generating 100million+ in revenue. Cushy job, fully remote, good pay and full autonomy with flexible hours working as an IC. I recently talked to a startup, similar pay, culture would be a better fit since it was mostly techies and I'm a nerd by nature.....but things just got awkward as soon as I asked about their revenue....they were bleeding money and I was told they were being acquired by a big…

Replies so far are responding to the startup path to profitability question, but just how good are the usual IT jobs in companies where that's a cost center??

In all the ones I've experienced or looked at, not hardly as good as tech companies pre-FAANG, your "cushy job, fully remote, good pay and full autonomy with flexible hours" strikes me as an uncommon situation.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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It's a huge red flag, and it's a hugely common red flag. A startup was peeved I valued their equity at zero when they wouldn't share. I got strong hints my equity was worth at least $100k in extra annual salary, but they wouldn't budge on disclosing anything I could hold them accountable to. I think they were being honest, but I didn't take the job. I did take a previous job like that, and when the company sold, we w…

Have you looked to see if they're still around?

I just checked:

* They IPOed and are still in business.

* If I had taken the offer, the stock would have been worth between 50k and 150k per year, depending on when I sold it. Their estimate of 100k per year was spot-on.

So they were being honest. Good to know! They were late enough stage when I was applying that they could do a fairly reasonable valuation. I think I would have been much more likely to take the offer if I had information like this in writing.

I still think I was right to value the equity much lower, since I had no way to know if they were being honest at the time.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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> where employees demanded equivalent pay increases to housing cost increases How can employees realistically speaking even do this?

Well, if you're in California and don't own a house, you move. It's not a great option if you were raised here, but a whole bunch of people can take a small pay cut (especially thinking about down equity and inflation) to move back to their hometowns right now. For me, a home (3/2, 1500sqft) in the neighborhood I'd move to in my hometown (US city; 1 mil metro area) is less than my household income, which we'll realis…

I moved from the US to Canada, and got a new offer at a publicly-traded US company recently.

In the US, pay is around $215k total comp ($175k base, $40k RSUs). Because, I'm in the Toronto (which is more expensive than most of the US), they said my pay would get a circa $111k USD base ($145k CAD base).

Adjusted for inflation, I'm earning less than what I was making when I was 25 years old. Now, at age 32, I'm struggling to pay significant debts on this salary.

What am I to do?

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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Best explanation I've seen of this phenomenon, why it's bad for all involved parties, and knock him effects. It's focused on place making/urban development, but it lines up completely. https://podcast.strongtowns.org/e/strip-mall/

It would be very useful to have a one or two paragraph summary here. I think that very few people are going to listen to an hour long podcast without knowing something more about the ideas.

That's fair. Unfortunately I missed the edit window.

It talks about the phenomenon (relevant to places that don't seem to be thriving more than to hot cities) of a new strip mall bring built next to a mostly vacant strip mall that's fairly new itself. It explains that this is a developer cashing in on the glut of money chasing returns. He talks about how any business that pretends to be legitimate gets funded, and the competition to loan money to actual functioning enterprises becomes so intense that the eventual owners/lenders/etc. end up having something that looks like a malinvestment because they were the people who predicted the lowest risk and highest returns (in the context of all the other insane things being funded.)

I listen to between 300 and 500 podcasts annually and, despite having a backlog of 175 episodes of various things right now, this one was worth the re-listen (at 1.5x speed, of course.)

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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post #353

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Wasn’t that the Soviet double ruble system? Whenever the Politburo wanted to find a mega project the money was wished into existence and things happened (just as it’s done today) yet it was illiquid and only usable in a sealed silo, separate from the normal exchange ruble. Wonder how a similar mechanism would work today

That sounds interesting. Can you link to any reference on this? I tried googling but didn't turn up much.

I found it discussed in this thread: https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1513681957749596162 Could be this WP but I'm not so sure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_reform_in_the_Soviet_...

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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That definition is incomplete. It makes it sound like you have to be constantly moving funds around to time the market, vs "buy and hold". But you can certainly time the market using "buy and hold", by waiting for the right moment to buy. And even if you buy "asap", you're still employing a market-timing strategy, that "buying asap is better than buying later". Dollar-cost averaging is a form of timing the market, be…

> you can certainly time the market using "buy and hold", by waiting for the right moment to buy. Yes that is timing the market because you wait for a certain time point, as opposed to just buy once you have enough liquidity. > Dollar-cost averaging is a form of timing the market No it’s not. It’s like saying passive is a form of active investment because some group of people pick the stocks that come into an index.…

There’s a contradiction in your analysis: you have no idea what will happen, yet make decisions guided by empirical analysis. You’re literally making a bet that the future is likely to behave in patterns according to the empirical analysis. How is that not a form of timing?

I think the confusion arises when we split hairs, that timing is predicting explicit events, or on a short time scale. But I want to zoom out: making decisions based on large scale patterns and trends, including “the s&p always goes up over a long time”, or “the future tends to behave like the past”, (things that are absolutely not guaranteed to happen, and require belief and betting), is a form of timing.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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So, given this... I have a product idea, along with another technical co-founder. I have a few months savings to feed my family, so I could feasibly work on it fulltime. ... Let's say I came up with a demo, a pitch deck, etc. Would people say the chances of getting seed capital is significantly reduced now? Or do we just not know yet?

It’d be best to work on product idea that can sustain itself. Bootstrapping never made more sense than today.

Unfortunately my idea involves a hardware component. So, eh, yeah, significant upfront investment, etc.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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>Also, imagining that corporate offices are models of efficiency is an error. Absolutely! I used to work for a Fortune 50 company (that shall remain nameless here) and was moving various groups (mostly marketing and research) away from mainframe batch processing (this was the mid 1990s) toward distributed (Unix) systems. The inefficiency and waste were just unbelievable. The corporation had tried to move their custom…

Not that long ago, California paid $2B in fraudulent benefits. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-07/bank-of-... That’s a single program. Forget it, Jack. It’s China Town.

There are a lot of ways to compare these numbers, and I think "absolute dollar amount" is not particularly enlightening among them.

On a per-project percentage basis, the parent's story wasted ~100% of the project's budget. The same number for California's unemployment fraud is less than 2% (the program totaled about $110B).

$300M was wasted in an organization that serves (completely spitballing here) maybe ~500k people among all its customer organizations? The California government serves ~40M California residents.

In any case, government waste is likely orders of magnitude more easily uncovered than even public companies' waste. And when we find out, we can lobby for change and vote for policies that adjust the process to hopefully result in less waste.

But when Coca-Cola overpays 10x for some highly-connected contracting firm to build them some shoddy CRUD software for an internal process we'll probably never heard about it due to a combination of lack of transparency and lack of reporting interest. If we do hear about it, there is no real avenue for lobbying for the change of Coca-Cola policy.

That's not even mentioning that Coca-Cola's entire existence could be (rightfully, in my mind) considered corporate waste because their products actively harm the world, which is a claim much more difficult to apply to the DMV or the California government as a whole.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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The DMV in my state requires you make an appointment 4-6 months out right now. Walk-in appointments are unavailable or only available during a few hours a few days a week, if they happen to have staff that day. Good luck if you have your drivers license stolen. I sold a car of mine to Carvana in October. I returned the license plate to the DMV immediately, which is how they're notified that you no longer own the vehi…

WTF? This must be because of willful political sabotage? The license plate should follow the car and ownership should be changed online as part of the transaction. It sounds incredibly wasteful that every time a car changes ownership the seller must hand over the plates in person to the DMV. And is there no national registry of cars or data sharing between states? Strange that a car can be registered twice. If your d…

I have to assume that you don't live in the US. The license plate can't always follow the car: each state has its own license plate(s) and DMV and rules, etc. e.g., I got a nastygram from New York state when I moved out of state and didn't turn in my plates. OTOH, in Minnesota, they tell you to do whatever you want with them: turn them in, throw them out in the recycling, etc. Some people have license plate collections on their garage walls.

If a license is stolen, You need to go into the DMV because they'll have to take a new photo. There was a temporary exception due to COVID, but I think that's no longer available since I had to go into the office when my license expired.

Re: Tech bubbles are bursting all over the place

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> “Lying” is a bit emotive, suggests you might be a bit too invested here to get the argument the GP was making. Emotion doesn't come into it. You built an argument upon a poor foundation. In strictly logical terms even if your argument structure was correct your argument would be invalid because its premises aren't correct. You said several things that are objectively false. I know them to be false because I have fi…

The principle of charity is to make the strongest possible version you can imagine of the opposing argument, and I also struggle with constructing yours. It appears to be “no electric car buyer with $140k to spend could ever rationally choose anything other than a Tesla”. If that’s your position, as a Tesla owner who has invested an awful lot of effort across this post in battling Someones Wrong On The Internet, I’m…

> It appears to be “no electric car buyer with $140k to spend could ever rationally choose anything other than a Tesla”.

My argument is that it isn't credible that buying the Mercedes is so obviously superior that is, and I quote the GP, "the no brainer" decision on account of it being "better value for money" because on every metric worthy of note the Tesla has superior statistics while lower cost except for qualities which are highly subjective. Moreover, the GP used a comparison with a vehicle that is in a different class - an SUV versus a sedan. Tesla has a sedan style vehicle - it crushes on the metrics much moreso than the SUV does while being at the same price point. Moreover, on pure value? They have comparable metrics for $80,000 less. I'm absolutely sure some people will prefer the aesthetic of Mercedes, but claiming value for money superiority let alone claiming it so much so that the purchase is a no brainer is objectively wrong whereas the accurate claim that they have a potential subjective appeal is a much lesser claim that I don't disagree with.

> Now the other manufacturers are arriving, just as the array of Androids did, with a variety of models, price points and customisability.

Yes, that is pretty much exactly what is happening. Complete with the death of the former type of phone and the threat to legacy business which that shift includes.

It is slow in happening because mass manufacture of cars isn't something that happens instantly - we don't even have the capacity in terms of minerals to meet the demand that the shift is creating, nor the volume of production at a high enough ramp to allow for the mass transition as we saw with phones. So a lot of people aren't noticing that it is like this, because the transition with phones was relatively fast. They are using the wrong mental model of transition speed. The better one is something more like the transition from horses to cars - fifty years after the ICE engine, horses finally got phased off farms, these transitions are playing out on a much larger time scale then our transition to smart phones, but they aren't actually so different.

Mercedes in this model isn't Apple, but Blackberry - great and in theory they should be able to survive, on the fundamentals of the current product, they have an advantage. Ergonomically, they execute better, but tragically they do so according to the old paradigms. The thing that a lot of people are anticipating is that the old paradigms are about to be destroyed by the smart car which in this case means the car that drives itself, not the car that runs on electricity provided by batteries. Thus, the Tesla valuations.

Ironically, auto makers like Mercedes-Benz are actually relying on BlackBerry QNX for some of the smart car war. So in a way we're seeing the BlackBerry versus Silicon Valley play out a second time. It is kind of shocking to me that they would go this route, since I figured the obvious partnerships would be with Google, not Blackberry, but I don't find their decision to be a strategic blunder. When I realized the strategic position that BlackBerry put itself in with regard to car companies, I switched to long BlackBerry. Apparently the market disagrees with me on this potential. It seems firmly convinced Tesla will win, but I suspect everyone will get to full self-driving sooner rather than later even if Tesla does get there first.

> They offer a limited set of choices and highly opinionated take-it-or-leave design with fixed high prices.

Tesla will not aim to be high priced; they'll aim to be the budget vehicle. It is a strategic imperative introduced by both climate change needing to be solved and also by the demand for vehicle telemetry to enable deep learning at a massive scale. So while this is true historically, it is a bad going forward prediction as to how Tesla will behave. You can already see this in their strategic decisions with the Model 3, which after factoring in ToC is actually a contender among budget cars, rather than the luxury segment. They don't want to be Apple; they want to be the future.

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