People should stop giving them such a hard time for dancing every once in a while.
Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
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These contracts are likely emergency contracts, which pay outrageously but often require a full week of 12-hour shifts or something similar with the expectation the nurse will only do one week then recover. I've seen this for COVID peaks and when a hospital's entire nursing staff is planning to strike. The $5200/wk rate is more likely 3 or 4 12-hour shifts.
I'm not sure I follow: > The $5200/wk rate is more likely 3 or 4 12-hour shifts 3 or 4 12 hour shifts a week is normal for salaried nurses. $5200/wk isn't. It's over double. > which pay outrageously but often require a full week of 12-hour shifts or something similar with the expectation the nurse will only do one week then recover. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Yes, it may be a full week of 12 hour shifts,…
> 3 or 4 12 hour shifts a week is normal for salaried nurses. $5200/wk isn't. It's over double.
It's a normal shift schedule, and they pay travel nurses much more than staff nurses to work the same shift schedule. These are typically 3 month contracts, but not always.
> I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Yes, it may be a full week of 12 hour shifts, but it's still a much higher pay. And if you get the next week off, it's a fantastic deal.
I don't disagree, but a lot of people do not want to work (or feel like they can't provide good care for) 12 hours every day for a week.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
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> We’re facing some massive generational crises at this point, and it feels like the only solution is to wait for the current leadership to die off, and hope the gen x’ers fix it. oh man, I choose to laugh so I don't start crying hahaha. I want to turn this into an argument of why age-reversal and other longevity research is such a bad idea (personally, I think it's kind of evil; but maybe I've seen too many villanou…
I mean, making sure Putin doesn't live forever seems like a pretty high priority to me. There's also the fact that science might lock up, since old scientists have more reputation at stake in the old theories (there's an adage "science advances one funeral at a time"). We're not ready as a species for immortality
That quote applies to many (all?) disciplines:
"X advances one funeral at a time".
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#734I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…
> IT systems that they have to use were designed by people who have not talked with the workers who use them.
This was exactly my experience when I worked for a medical software startup. Our (very unfinished) software got deployed in a hospital with no training, no orientation, no nothing, and it was such a disaster that it was a patient safety issue. Mind you, the engineering team had no say in any of this, not that we were even given the chance, and we weren't even aware that the deployment was for real. We were under the impression that the deployment was for testing purposes, because we were aware that the software was unfinished.
It was a breathtakingly poor decision purely on the part of managers (and, frankly, sales) on both sides of that deal and it was doctors and patients who suffered because of it. An absolute nightmare all around and I'm glad to no longer be there.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
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I actually think that this is just one example of many across a ton of disciplines where people like Nurses basically are forced to deal with costs and responsibilities offloaded onto them from above the responsibility chain. Resources are eaten up at the top of the chain to their benefit and costs are offloaded down the chain until it reaches people like Nurses at the end of the line who have to deal with it because…
> There is no shortage of people wanting to be nurses (in some places it is extremely competitive), and there is a huge demand for nurses based on shortages everywhere, but somehow we are in a situation where nurses are overworked because they are short staffed. why is this such a common story across pretty much every single industry? There's more people in the country than 10, 20, 30 years ago. More customers, more…
They don't think they can handle more work with fewer workers. It's just a profit squeeze, and someone else pays the price.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
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I don't disagree nurses DESERVE to be paid more (I'm not sure if the economics bear out but they're certainly as WORTHY as many other professions), but wouldn't the fact that these nurses continue to work in nursing despite considering leaving bolster the argument even further that they are receiving adequate compensation? Staying when you want to leave indicates there's enough compensation to 'make it worth it' at l…
Many can't afford to not work due to debt/rent/child support payments. If you don't pay rent you lose the apartment and the weekend parenting time. Miss the child support payments which were being taken from paycheck and child support enforcement takes driver license and starts process to take the car that is in your name. Many people don't have even a little optionality.
That's actually my point. IF they are able to meet their obligations in nursing and their job is literally such a superior option to all the alternatives that they don't have 'optionality' then it's a weird flex to be angry at your one best(least bad) option that actually pays your rent and child support. Be angry that the alternatives aren't as good as the nursing gig you have.
I definitely feel for those paying child support, because 'imputed income' means you must pay at whatever rate the judge thinks you can make the best money at. You can never take a more relaxing lower paying job, because it will result in your imprisonment. Those people really have no future in the US -- their only option to throttle back their income is suicide, leave the country, or wait to go to jail. I blame society for the existence of these debtor's prisons, not nursing employers.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
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> 'leave nursing' and then what When we got married, my wife (Physicians Assistant) made handily more than I did. $140k to my $82k midwest, software development job. 10 years later, she makes $130k (after cutting hours back) and I make $4-500k as a software engineer in the midwest. The two markets crossed drastically Where are they going? For us, home.
$500K as a software engineer? That's the very tip of the unicorn's horn. My friend works as a CEO of a (smallish) software company and makes half that.
This forum almost certainly skews heavily towards people in Silicon Valley or working at Bay Area companies. AKA the very highest earning people in tech.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
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> Nursing is a well paying Only in a vaccuum. It pays far worse than other jobs at the same rate given the effort and stress the job entails. > don't they get more leverage on what QOL and wages they can demand ? Sure, but it needs to get far worse. The hospitals are only going to budge once walkouts are organized. But that can't happen without strong unions, most nurses just need to pay the bills which is why they c…
What I read here instead is that the American people is fine with deteriorating healthcare, and will not regulate the industry, nor burst into a walkout of their own. I find it cheaper to fly back to Europe and pay out of pocket (uninsured) for anything non-trivial along with my flight ticket than pay for California services. Only two things I miss: a) nicely decorated clinics and nurses taking my vitals and informat…
Honestly, unless they're not in the midst of fighting a serious illness, most Americans just want to be sure that they have access to better healthcare than the people below them in the socioeconomic ladder. They're fine with healthcare deteriorating, as long as it deteriorates at least as much for the guy below them.
Now, if a serious illness comes along, some people do wake up and realize it's not a f*cking game. But certainly not all.
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#739I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…
> Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses.
Is it mainly lack of information (and exhaustion) that prevents these more experienced nurses from negotiating for what they're worth?
Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year
#740Earlier quoted context omitted.
I actually think that this is just one example of many across a ton of disciplines where people like Nurses basically are forced to deal with costs and responsibilities offloaded onto them from above the responsibility chain. Resources are eaten up at the top of the chain to their benefit and costs are offloaded down the chain until it reaches people like Nurses at the end of the line who have to deal with it because…
> There is no shortage of people wanting to be nurses (in some places it is extremely competitive), and there is a huge demand for nurses based on shortages everywhere, but somehow we are in a situation where nurses are overworked because they are short staffed. why is this such a common story across pretty much every single industry? There's more people in the country than 10, 20, 30 years ago. More customers, more…
Owners and operators have learned that they can keep the lights on by running their businesses with skeleton crews and, at the same time, reap the rewards of lower costs as profits.