The Streisand effect is strong. I've never had the desire to listen to this Joe Rogan guy, but now I do want to get hold of some of these episodes (Russell Peters, the comedian? Dan Savage? maybe a random smattering of the others...)
Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
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#732I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
I think the real issue isn't that people are calling for censorship. They're calling for Spotify to not pay people to produce political propaganda. Now, we get the worst of both worlds, where Spotify funds the production of harmful propaganda (by their own published standards), and also starts censoring independently produced content.
What specifically is the harmful political propaganda? Please provide direct quotes in context so that we can understand whether your complaint is valid.
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#733damn some of the newly removed i never would have guessed would get removed based on the guest
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#734Scrolling through names on this site is confusing me. Why is the singer of Tool having his interview removed?
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#735Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditiz…
Why are you against people freely negotiating deals even if those deals result in reducing availability of content? Does the govt really need to be involved in this?
Consenting to an immoral deal doesn’t make it moral.
As for whether or not reducing the availability of information is immoral, that obviously depends on what the information in question is. I’m unfamiliar with Joe Rogan’s work so I have no opinion on this particular case.
Edit: Based on the replies I wasn’t sufficiently clear. I don’t believe the Rogan deal is immoral because I have no belief about it’s morality or lack thereof at all. If you insist on a moral judgment that I feel ill-informed to make, then I’ll speculate that the deal probably was moral.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#736I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
I don't think we even know that it's $100 million. It's a multi-year deal up to that much, according to the Wall Street Journal's anonymous source.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#737I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
Perhaps you can support both free markets and absolutely free speech. Something that free market players should strive towards.
Then again supporting free market leads to many other unethical things than censorship. Like slavery, why shouldn't you be able to sell some person or yourself to slavery? That is entirely in accord of free markets.
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#738When JRE went to Spotify many people were hailing it as an anti-cancellation move. They clearly misunderstood.. the podcast was decentralized (even if your podcast host shuts you down you can serve the rss and mp3s from somewhere else). And Youtube was another avenue of distribution. Centralization makes you more vulnerable to getting particular content vetoed.
Spotify doesn't realize this move is cancelling themselves. I just ended my premium sub to Spotify because of their move.
They've managed to anger both the Branch Covidians and the regular people who were against censorship.
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#739I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…
Very spot on. Separately Idk why people don’t use 3rd party podcast apps, much better support than Spotify imo.
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#740Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think Spotify is getting onto thin ice. I subscribed to Spotify because I want to stream music, and I like that the bands I listen to get a bit of money. But when I hear that they are paying $100M to some controversial US podcaster (before Neil Young left Spotify I have never heard of Joe Rogan), I'm thinking, this isn't what I signed up for. I want my money to go towards German indie bands, not rich American celeb…
I don't think they're on thin ice. Remember when people were boycotting Netflix over Cuties? Their stock prices recovered and everyone forgot. People have also boycotted YouTube or pulled their ads. These things just blow over.
The budget of the film Cuties was under $1M, maybe a small bit more with Netflix's marketing involvement after the initial release (Netflix bought the rights to a worldwide release outside of France). Spotify just directly wiped tens of millions of dollars off their service and likely suffered more long-term lost subscriptions since people have already switched to YT Music or Apple Music; anyone that dropped Netflix had probably resubscribed by the time Squid Game was released.