This makes sense to me since education is a secondary or tertiary goal of government schools. The goal for parents is childcare and for teachers it is to socially indoctrinate kids into what ever point of view they believe (e.g. CRT, Creationism, etc.)
California moves to recommend delaying algebra to 9th grade statewide
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Re: California moves to recommend delaying algebra to 9th grade statewide
#732So now the rich kids will just get these classes elsewhere and the poor kids now have no options because “equality”.
Re: California moves to recommend delaying algebra to 9th grade statewide
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Re: California moves to recommend delaying algebra to 9th grade statewide
#734Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why exactly is it that you aren’t taught courses like math, or history or language according to your ability instead of your age? That's exactly the question. Under Equitable Math, all children must always be at the same level up until the senior year, and Algebra will not be offered in middle school. Some children are ready for Algebra in middle school, and some aren't. This is the most critical point of contentio…
Didn't common core also state that a child solving 4x5 by computing 5x4 fails the task and in turn hindering deeper comprehension. Or do I confuse this with something else?
You did not. Common core teaches some very weird methods of addition and multiplication, and has a "process over product" mentality - getting the wrong answer is fine with the right method, and getting the right answer with the "wrong" method is bad.
Re: California moves to recommend delaying algebra to 9th grade statewide
#735Earlier quoted context omitted.
The PC model that unequal outcomes would disappear if you simply addressed poverty, fought putative structural discrimination via affirmative action, etc. has been repeatedly applied and disproven at massive scale dozens of times since the 60s. It's a nice story but it doesn't seem to reflect reality at all. I don't think the model of "it's because the way math is phrased is racist" is a better model - in fact, it's…
What are you talking about, you noxious tool? Wealth inequality is higher than ever since before the 1960s. There is every indication that reducing poverty improves educational outcomes.
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Re: California moves to recommend delaying algebra to 9th grade statewide
#736Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only so that I could check the box on forms to say I had a High School Diploma/GED.
I think there must be a language difference between us, since I usually interpret "for the lulz" as meaning "without a [good] reason." Kudos to you for doing well on it. The oddest reason I've ever heard for taking a standardized test was from a fellow who was an SAT tutor. He would take the test in order to covertly write down good math questions onto his calculator while the instructors weren't looking. He made a p…
That was actually a smart idea to fail the exam. As a SAT tutor your first instinct would be to show off and try to get a perfect score.
To add another anecdote, I know many people who have been through the prison system. Certain prisons will give you a test on entry to see where your skill level is on the 3 Rs. The firm rule is FAIL THE TEST. Do not try to be smart. The dumbest ones get the priority for school places in the prison. Schooling = extra credits = early release from custody.
Re: California moves to recommend delaying algebra to 9th grade statewide
#737Earlier quoted context omitted.
Regardless of which side of the race-intelligence debate you're on, this will only widen the inequality. If you want blacks to achieve more, you should be investing more in their education. Not making things easier for everyone because then they will just continue to underachieve while those who can afford private schooling and such continue to excel.
Wait a sec... you almost sound like you think there are legitimate different sides to the "race-intelligence debate."
Yes, there is the Californian position, which is really very racist. Even more than outright saying there are racial differences in intelligence. Why? These actions will:
1) HIDE the difference from the weaker students (whether black, or poor, or ... we can abstract about which exact group you think is less capable here)
2) take away the opportunity these classes give children to work to compensate
In IQ studies it is reported diligent work can increase your aptitude by slightly above 2 standard deviations, if you start young enough. That would imply that with enough support some mentally retarded people (which starts at IQ ~85) can be taught up to above normal intelligence (IQ ~105)
Both factors of course increase whatever innate differences exist. I find it very hard to believe these people working for California, who have studied pedagogy, would not be aware of this. So you can be very sure they are purposefully working to hide the difference. Well, until these kids try university, or to find a job. Then it can't be hidden anymore. Also, then it'll be much more difficult for them to do anything about it.
So this is very much about denying kids opportunities, for the personal gain of the people implementing these policies.
Re: California moves to recommend delaying algebra to 9th grade statewide
#738Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why exactly is it that you aren’t taught courses like math, or history or language according to your ability instead of your age? That's exactly the question. Under Equitable Math, all children must always be at the same level up until the senior year, and Algebra will not be offered in middle school. Some children are ready for Algebra in middle school, and some aren't. This is the most critical point of contentio…
Didn't common core also state that a child solving 4x5 by computing 5x4 fails the task and in turn hindering deeper comprehension. Or do I confuse this with something else?
The Common Core specification is succinct and easily cited. Any particular grade in K-6 can be read in under 5 minutes.
Re: California moves to recommend delaying algebra to 9th grade statewide
#739Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't common core also state that a child solving 4x5 by computing 5x4 fails the task and in turn hindering deeper comprehension. Or do I confuse this with something else?
You did not. Common core teaches some very weird methods of addition and multiplication, and has a "process over product" mentality - getting the wrong answer is fine with the right method, and getting the right answer with the "wrong" method is bad.
Do you have any official sources?
> Interpret a multiplication equation as a comparison, e.g., interpret 35 = 5 × 7 as a statement that 35 is 5 times as many as 7 and 7 times as many as 5. Represent verbal statements of multiplicative comparisons as multiplication equations.
Re: California moves to recommend delaying algebra to 9th grade statewide
#740This isn't the problem. The problem is the lack of algebra in 8th grade. It's parents who are too unconcerned about their kid's education and obsessed with sports, after school activities, working 60 hours a week to buy "stuff". It's also schools that won't look at far more successful schools in Europe and Asia and how they reach higher standards. The "invented here" education ideas are stupid. If you want to succeed the look at successful programs.