Does someone know the implications of the new M1 chips for
neural network training? If I get it right, we'll see upto 64GB GPU on the new M1 processors?
The processing performance will not be the same as on a dedicated graphics card, but 64GB is a game changer, especially for large models, isn't it?
MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#732It seems like Apple purposely comes so close to offering the perfect laptop only to falter hard on one or two features. In this case, it's the battery life. Continuous web use time is down from 17 hours on the 2020 13" M1 to 11 hours on the new 14". That's "up to" time, mind you, and with real use as a developer I expect getting 75% of that at most. So 11 hours just isn't enough time. I buy a laptop for mobility. I shouldn't have to plug it in at all during my work day. Yes, it's better than competitors but still lacking.
I would have been happier if they took the 13" M1 and added the ports.
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#733Do they have an escape key? (This is not a joke question.)
Yes, there are plenty of pictures of it on the page https://www.apple.com/v/macbook-pro-14-and-16/a/images/overv...
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#734No one seems to be commenting on the 140 watt power adapter.
With the caveat that I already dropped $7k (after tax) on a top-spec model, I am very interested in seeing how hot these get. Particularly in light of how cool the M1 runs.
Prior to my current M1 MBP, my daily driver was a maxed-out 16" MBP. It's a very solid computer, but it functions just as well as a space heater.
And its power brick is only 100 watts...
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#735I have been waiting on this announcement to buy a new Mac, but now that they are out, I don't think I will buy one. The prices are 2x a Macbook Air, but the utility for me doesn't match. If the 14" was closer to the previous 13" MBP price of $1500 I would be ordering one now, but I will be getting a Macbook Air instead. Note to Veterans: Apple gives a 10% Veterans discount on everything, including the refurbished sto…
Well, the Macbook Air at $1.0k is still better than any Macbook Pro ever made before now
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#736HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…
I am glad to see the return of magsafe (and having two USB ports in addition to the power cord)... but if that's the only reason I really prefer the new 14" macbook pro to the much cheaper 13" (that extra "inch" is $800!)
The lower cost machines used to get power and HDMI as separate ports to two USBs.... I wonder if future lower-priced machines will again, if this is a trend...
The extra ports are literally the only thing I want here that's not in the much cheaper 13" pro...
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#737Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.
Actually, they kept one of the oldest mistakes: overcharging. $400 to upgrade from 16GB RAM to 32GB. $200 to upgrade to 1TB SSD. These guys control the whole supply chain without middlemen like WD, Samsung, Crucial, etc — and they charge basically double what anyone else charges. I'm not paying $2k for a laptop below what I need as a developer, when Apple is ridiculous. Inflation is murder right now, and they JACK th…
Lenovo X1 Extreme charges $340 to go from 16GB to 32GB. Then $680 from 32 to 64GB. (regular price, there's a clearance sale now). $300 to upgrade SSD from 512GB to 1TB. It's $2400 for an X1E (at sale price. Regular is $4.3k!!) roughly at par to $2k 14" pro.
Surface Laptop Studio with similar specs at $2100. Costs +$600 to go to 32GB and 1TB (which == $400 + $200 upgrade you mentioned).
Dell XPS 15" is $2400.
If you were even dimly aware of current prices for high-end laptops you'd know the Mac is priced in the same expensive range. If you prefer $1K plastic crap that's fine. Some people like Velveeta and Canned Spam too.
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#738A fair warning to developers: You're getting into an adventure with M1. From docker images not built for M1 with segmentation faults on qemu (eg. Liquibase for spring developers), to _significant_ troubles trying to make React native apps build with the M1 and XCode. Don't get me wrong, I have a Macbook air M1 and I love it, but it hasn't been a love without pain. Also, the magsafe feels like it comes too late. Almos…
I'm curious about the docker image situation.
I had thought that the M1 could natively emulate x86 instructions. So why then can you not run the native x86 docker images? Is it a virtualisation issue?
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#740Happy to see they added Magsafe but ALSO still support charging via the USB3 ports.
Controversial opinion, but I think adding Magsafe back (along with the other ports) was a step backward for the industry. Apple pushed the whole industry to standardize on one connector for everything. If anyone really needed those other ports, a small $30 portable hub would add them all back. Magsafe 3 is just another connector that will add more e-waste and proprietary cables to the mix. It's nice that they kept th…
> Controversial opinion, but I think adding Magsafe back (along with the other ports) was a step backward for the industry.
It's too useful not to add back. Every laptop should have something like this; it prevents accidents and damage.