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FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by the_doctah »

snarf21 wrote: post #636
hatware wrote: post #568

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> people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. What is it, day 600 something of "just two weeks" to stop the spread? Oh wait, that's just the _other side's_ fault for not following the rules as well as you did. From where I sit, it seems like a lot of people are having a hard time admitting that shutting down the world's economy may have been the wrong choice, hindsight.

We're about to find out one way or the other in the US. Hospitals are full, ERs are full, ICUs are full and it is likely going to stay that way all fall/winter. This has two consequences: 1) There are no beds and/or staff for people coming in with heart attacks or from car crashes or other solvable issues. 2) Fatigue is building on hospital healthcare workers. They are being berated by family members of dying un-vacc…

The "ICU beds full" keeps getting parroted everywhere but is patently false. The rest of your post is the same alarmist nonsense that has kept everyone in an unnecessary state of anxiety for the last 16 months.

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Post by auslegung »

odessacubbage wrote: post #259
auslegung wrote: post #187

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I wonder would you have felt the same way when the chickenpox vaccine, or MMR vaccines, or any of the other common vaccines we get today, were new.

yes actually.

It's an impossible question for me to answer b/c I don't have any knowledge whatsoever of what was going on at the time. But I think the question is worth pondering for people because it may help people realize if they have politics clouding their thinking here. Not saying everyone with your opinion has their thinking clouded because of politics, but I think many do.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by vikingerik »

all2 wrote: post #651
DangerousPie wrote: post #490

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You can't force people not to get vaccinated for several years in the middle of a pandemic.

No. Quite the opposite. It seems you can force people to get a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic. France is dealing with massive unrest [0] and are hemorrhaging medical staff [1] because they mandated vaccines for medical professionals (which doesn't make sense, the vaccine doesn't prevent a person from spreading the virus [2]). [0] https://spectator.org/french-health-pass-riots/ [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/e…

If you justify imposing authoritarian measures because of an emergency, what you get is the authoritarians creating a perpetual emergency.

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Post by ghiculescu »

yupper32 wrote: post #387
thepasswordis wrote: post #200

People don’t want to take the vaccine because others are trying to force them to. They would say “it’s not FDA approved!” not as the core of their hesitancy, but because they were trying to be appeal to pro-vax peoples decision making framework. I don’t think we should be able to require them to. To many of you here: imagine the Trump admin trying to require you to take the vaccine in November of last year. Cities wo…

> the weird, Orwellian ways that the government talks about it, has turned me against the booster. You desperately need to take a step back and look at yourself and how you evaluate things. You decided to go against the booster because of your feelings, not because of science. You want government decisions to be guided by science, and yet you are very clearly anti-science with your decision making. > To many of you h…

Trump was still president then, but the question was hypothetical. Would your answer change if he was re-elected?

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by [deleted] »

the_doctah wrote: post #729
ceejayoz wrote: post #269

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The "small minority" is stated in the parent comment to be the "desperate, angry anti-vax people". Some of those are in the 50%, but quite a few are "meh, whatever" apathy or mildly anti-vax there too.

So how do you feel about the large number of unvaccinated African-Americans in the US?

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Post by foolfoolz »

p_j_w wrote: post #607
peakaboo wrote: post #94

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Even if true, so what? It's their bodies. They should be allowed to choose, just like you are.

It's my car, I should be allowed to choose to drive it drunk.

drive it drunk on gvt owned roads? where you have a license to operate it if you abide by specific rules? and you lose the license if any of them are broken?

that’s a very different comparison to something like going to a private business

what about driving drunk on your own land away from anyone

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Post by xdennis »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #392
frankfrankfrank wrote: post #356

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Your mindset is deeply concerning and rather evil in its supremacist belief you are justified in imposing things on others against their will. You may believe you are justified in that imposition, as all authoritarian types are, but one thing is for sure, the precedent to overturn the most fundamental concepts of freedom you demand be imposed on all, WILL be used against the useful idiots in short order, as is always…

Most people agree that you should not be allowed to drink and drive, yet some cannot transpose this logic onto being vaccinated. If you want to drink and drive, go for it, just don't do it anywhere public. If you want to be unvaxxed, fine, just don't go anywhere public.

Not drinking alcohol doesn't cause any issues. We've had people who've lived 100+ years and never drank. We don't have that experience with covid vaccines.

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Post by nyokodo »

christophilus wrote: post #602
nyokodo wrote: post #505

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> I don't trust big pharma and I don't trust the vaccines. Should be reason enough. This is a good example of what I was talking about. You don’t trust big pharma? Most people who say that will still pop some ibuprofen etc when they get a headache so really they do trust big pharma when it suits them. The real reason is deeper down.

Not really. Ibuprofen has been in use for a very long time, has well known and studied side-effects, and is readily available over the counter in generic form. There is no big lobby interest for Ibuprofin at this time, so the financial incentives there are not suspect. On the other hand, any time I see a pharmaceutical ad for some new wonder drug, my incientive-caused-bias hackles are immediately raised.

> There is no big lobby interest for Ibuprofin at this time, so the financial incentives there are not suspect.

Clearly Ibuprofen is a product of big pharma, therefore if it were merely distrust of big pharma then using it and all other ordinary drugs like it would be out of the question. Additionally, there are big lobby interests for products and services we all use all the time. Why make exceptions for them? Not trusting big pharma is post-facto rationalization as reasonable caution evaporated sometime before the first 500 million people got vaccinated. No, there are simpler underlying reasons like being disproportionately afraid of the vaccine vs the virus or not feeling any risk and not caring about the risk of others etc.

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Post by 34679 »

oblio wrote: post #237
sharken wrote: post #227

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Something similar to the Rubella vaccine that took about four years to be licensed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubella_vaccine

My problem with this "we just have to wait N units of time" approach is: what do we do instead meanwhile? What's the alternative?

3.2 serious outcomes per 100,000 infections.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628...

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by criticaltinker »

handoflixue wrote: post #645
criticaltinker wrote: post #596

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> the Pfizer vaccine works and is safe Yes the vaccine has been proven to be safe for most adults in the short-term. But blanket statements like this over-simplify the reality of the situation. People need to be aware that for certain sub-populations (eg pediatrics & pregnant women), there is insufficient scientific evidence - in terms of clinical trials and longitudinal studies - to conclude that the benefits of vac…

Just to be clear, by the standard you're proposing there's also no scientific evidence that posting on Hacker News is safe. There is no scientific evidence that the internet is safe. There is no scientific evidence that wearing a mask is safe. There is, of course, an INCREDIBLE amount of EVIDENCE for all of these things being safe (including the vaccine). There has simply never been a 100% complete full evaluation of…

Just to be clear, you're arguing against evidence based medicine and instead advocating for hasty generalization and jumping to conclusions based on the absence of evidence.

Somewhere between our two points is an optimal middle ground. The holy grail of exclusively evidence based interventions is lofty no doubt, and we'll have to do the best with what we know right now, but to aim for anything less is quite difficult to defend.

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