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GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by dghf »

m463 wrote: post #710
dghf wrote: post #623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's a quote that I think of in situations like this: > "Be the change you want to see in the world" - ghandi Gandhi (spelled thus) never said that. What he did say (in an article about first-aid treatments for snakebites, weirdly enough), was this: > We but mirror the world. All the tendencies present in the outer world are to be found in the world of our body. If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in th…

thanks for the clarification. (and apologies, I always put the h in the wrong place)

No probs, I managed to miss it out completely the second time I wrote his name. Muphry's Law[0] in action.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by josefx »

stelonix wrote: post #729
getitstraight wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 'What makes you think this is the case? X11 has an ordered event queue and there is no reason an application can't process the keystrokes in the correct order.' Frankly, it is completely fucking unacceptable for software to miss keystrokes or read them out of order. This is basic programming 101. Any code which exhibits such a problem has a shit design and needs to be rebuilt from scratch. This sort of thing is exa…

I'm not a Wayland user and do not plan to be. Instead, it is a criticism of the current abandonment of the Xorg project, which I toy with the code from time to time. I also do not use any DE and use X in the leanest way I can, and I still notice such input lag, whether it's playing games or some gui application seeming to register input at a different x,y position than it was clicked. This does not mean I'm a xorg ha…

The problem is that neither latency nor async would explain out of order arrival of events. So even now your explanation seems nonsensical.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by _lffv »

pndy wrote: post #656
still_grokking wrote: post #243

As a KDE user I wouldn't care what the Gnome people do if their BS wouldn't affect me. But it does, and it's annoying! They refuse since over a decade to implement some generic way to open the file-picker native to the running DE. They force their garbage usability on everybody, even people that would prefer not to use "anything Gnome". Same issue with CSDs, by the way. Like I said: They can have their broken stuff a…

> As a KDE user I wouldn't care what the Gnome people do if their BS wouldn't affect me. But it does, and it's annoying! KDE has own sins as well - they removed ability of running Dolphin as root giving some vague arguments about security and users protection, while other DE allows running their file managers with highest rights without any walkarounds nor weird acrobatics. I've seen some Plasma addons restoring this…

I like Thunar's method, giving a big yellow warning on the top of the window but not inhibiting the user outside of that.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by lemmonii »

gfxgirl wrote: post #385
seltzered_ wrote: post #56

Reminds me of a different story involving Bill Gates, toilets, and user interface design: https://web.archive.org/web/20120427101911/http://jacksonfis... "At one particularly frustrating moment, I offered the following: “Bill, a shower, a toilet, and a water fountain all have mechanisms to control water flow, places where the water comes out, some sort of porcelain basin to hold the water, and a drain, but we don’t c…

Funny you'd post that in here because MacOS sucks at this and Windows does a great job. In fact arguably the engineering mind worked great there. The file open dialog in Windows is just a repurposed Windows Explorer view which means you can access all the things you can from explorer when opening and saving including things like unzipping a zip file, renaming some existing file that's in the way (like file.txt -> fil…

An amazing feature of the windows file picker that i hardly ever see mentioned is that you can simply paste in a url into the name field and it will automatically download it to tmp and refer to the file.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by poutrathor »

efreak wrote: post #429
simon04 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ctrl+L focuses the address bar. No need to lift your fingers from the keyboard.

Or alt+d or F6. These are mostly universal.

Not with big constructor slowly removing F1-F12 touches from the keyboard (Lenovo...)

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

theshrike79 wrote: post #625
young_unixer wrote: post #293

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I find KDE to be pretty ugly. For instance, margins and paddings seem to be all over the place [1]. At least Gnome gets that part right. [1] https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Notifications

KDE, to me, looks like someone designed it to be a touch interface. Everything is so LARGE and padding between elements is YUGE. The tech is cool and everything seems to work fine, but something about the UI just grates me.

... Did you misspell GNOME here?

Also, KDE is the most customizable DE of them all, and it has the most powerful features of them all (by far). Given that, all these "but it looks kinda bad!" comments sound insane. It's like choosing a push mower over a motorized because you like the finish on the handle.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

pndy wrote: post #656
still_grokking wrote: post #243

As a KDE user I wouldn't care what the Gnome people do if their BS wouldn't affect me. But it does, and it's annoying! They refuse since over a decade to implement some generic way to open the file-picker native to the running DE. They force their garbage usability on everybody, even people that would prefer not to use "anything Gnome". Same issue with CSDs, by the way. Like I said: They can have their broken stuff a…

> As a KDE user I wouldn't care what the Gnome people do if their BS wouldn't affect me. But it does, and it's annoying! KDE has own sins as well - they removed ability of running Dolphin as root giving some vague arguments about security and users protection, while other DE allows running their file managers with highest rights without any walkarounds nor weird acrobatics. I've seen some Plasma addons restoring this…

This is, indeed, very annoying and obnoxious.

On the plus side, unlike many other FMs, Dolphin has a built-in terminal (hit F4) that's sync'd to whatever dir it's at, and you can `sudo` your operation there. xP

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by scotty79 »

SebastianKra wrote: post #709
scotty79 wrote: post #549

Gnome seemed always vary bad to me. Missing a lot of convenient features. I used KDE instead which had all the features I expected plus some more that Windows didn't have yet but totally should have. I was always wondering why Gnome is so weird and broken. Why does it exist? Who uses it? I found out when I got my hands on first Macbook in my life. While KDE mirrors Windows, Gnome mirrored some version of MacOS. Using…

I'm going to assume that you didn't spend very long with the system. I have switched between enough systems to know, that there is always some friction before you discover advantages. I have also used Windows and Mac in parallel long enough to know that you are objectively wrong . Okay just kidding - such things are, of course, to a certain level, subjective. But you didn't go into any details, so there's nothing to…

> I'm going to assume that you didn't spend very long with the system.

I spent way to long with macos because the computer belong to my SO. She was an artist (used mostly Adobe) and wanted it for the aesthetics and was adamant to learn to use it and I had to guide her though tear-filled painful year long process of adjusting to macos ... 'quirks'

Just to clarify, tears weren't induced by me. I was coming when the tears started flowing to offer solutions and emotional support.

She persevered but I think she never was as efficient with mac as she was with windows previously. And I never stopped being occasionally called to task of researching and resolving some inanity.

For me personally macos was terrible until I found Terminal. Then I just concluded it's just kind of linux with very bad gnome-like gui window and file managers.

I know it's just my preference but learning gui with windows and then moving to macos for some advanced users is sheer pain that never subsides and some things just don't work (for some definitions of "work" like in the article we are commenting).

As for the details I remember that on MacOS when you drag and dropped a folder somewhere where folder of the same name already existed, then sub-folders were not merged. Just replaced. So you were loosing files in target location that were not present in source location. That behavior is highly unexpected and destructive for someone coming from windows.

If you select 100 files and right-click > show info, you get 100 popups ... hardly desirable.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by StillBored »

jfim wrote: post #396
tsukurimashou wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I was happy to discover as a kid was shift + tab to go backwards with input selection (Spacebar to trigger checkboxes was nice too)

These shortcuts have been a thing for quite a while too, they come from the IBM CUA guidelines [0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access

I'm a regular user of the CUA guideline's copy/paste shortcuts. Those shortcuts work in pretty much every MS OS from the early 1990s until recently. Linux has been a mess, but KDE has been pretty decent at enforcing global shortcuts.

The past 5 years though have been a nightmare, MS has really messed their UI up, and various applications/toolkits or whatever the problem no longer properly support the CUA guidelines which in the past were the one assured way of doing an operation cross applications and various OSs (windows+linux/kde).

Maybe its time to start going to a few developer conferences and giving talks about how useful system wide shortcuts that work across multiple OSs really are.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by int_19h »

cycloptic wrote: post #666
int_19h wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that GNOME is not just a DE. By virtue of being a project that's used by RedHat and Ubuntu, it's the closest thing to the standard DE that desktop Linux has at the moment. Worse yet, its developers consciously make design decisions that make it hard to write applications that play well with GNOME without taking a dependency on it - their take on it seems to be that GNOME is a platform , and their main…

I'm not sure what you expect can be done about that. Every desktop is going to have its own set of features and APIs that other desktops don't. That's what they mean by "platform." Should e.g. KDE developers spend less time working on their own features and start contributing more to GNOME, to make GNOME apps work better in KDE, and vice versa? Maybe, but they would have to take the initiative to do it.

Having unique features is fine, of course. It's when GNOME goes out of its way to make it impossible for DE-agnostic apps to "do the right thing" for ideological reasons, when every other DE supports some kind of lowest common denominator. Here's one famous historical example:

https://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/3685

"I guess you have to decide if you are a GNOME app, an Ubuntu app, or an XFCE app unfortunately ... It is my hope that you are a GNOME app."

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