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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Anyone looked at the three sample complaints? 7 upvotes, 2 upvotes, 5 upvotes. For context, the post (I'm guessing he is a co-founder or some senior person at Parler) John Matze has 34,000 upvotes. These posts seem like bad or manufactured examples. What prevents a competitor from sending a few people to post these things to eliminate competition? Or worse. Who remembers Knew Knowledge faking Russian bots to smear a…

There is a sub dedicated to sharing Parler content that threatens violence, among other things. https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch. You can find many more examples there.

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We are all smart people no? Can we not see what's going on, Twitter in their early days was very proud they started civil wars in the Arab spring. This is clearly a power move to block competition, all places on the internet where many people group together start out as trash. Content moderation is only possible when you have network effects that people can't leave. Its similar to not putting ads on your new trending…

> This is clearly a power move to block competition

I really do not agree at all. Not all social media sites start like 4chan nor do I think this move started to squash competition. There's a legitimate need being served to preserve the commonwealth in silencing these communities, especially after recent events.

For what it's worth, what competition is Parler to AWS anyways? Aren't they a customer? Shouldn't amazon want them to grow beyond belief so they can be a whale of a customer?

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post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

January 6 was a "mostly peaceful" protest.

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Anyone looked at the three sample complaints? 7 upvotes, 2 upvotes, 5 upvotes. For context, the post (I'm guessing he is a co-founder or some senior person at Parler) John Matze has 34,000 upvotes. These posts seem like bad or manufactured examples. What prevents a competitor from sending a few people to post these things to eliminate competition? Or worse. Who remembers Knew Knowledge faking Russian bots to smear a…

Look at the @ParlerTakes account on Twitter or r/ParlerWatch. There are thousands of examples of this on a relatively small social media site.

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Hypothetically, how would you go about staying online completely independently? Let's say you build your own data center, buy the real estate (because a landlord could be pressured to cancel your lease), purchase all the network equipment, and hire your own full-time employees. You still need to lease an IP block and a fiber connection from a carrier (like AT&T, Century Link, etc.). Couldn't they deplatform you too?…

Thanks for posting this, I was pondering along the same lines!

> Every other utility seems to be regulated. For example even if you have a Confederate flag or a picture of Stalin outside your house, the local electric and water companies are not allowed to turn off your service as long as you are paying the bill.

TIL that this is due to the implied monopoly. I think the difference is that electricity and water are required for survival but internet isn't so it isn't regulated as such. This can also be extended to the difference in buying milk (walk in and pay cash) vs. buying alcohol (need a current govt issued ID).

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I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

> I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic.

You know what else is an existential threat to the republic? A growing group of congresspeople who openly question fundamental American values like the right to bear arms, freedom of association, freedom of religion, a punitive justice system, and the non-redistribution of wealth. Those seditious traitors have been growing in numbers for the past decade. (See what I did there?)

All I'm really saying is you should not act like there wasn't build up to this from both sides.

This country is trying to decide whether it likes being wealthy more than it likes being free, and for the people who were never particularly wealthy in the first place, it's hardly a choice at all. What do you expect them to do, just take it? When have Americans ever done that?

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Is this particular move by Apple, Google, Facebook, and Twitter the end of big tech in the US?

My concern the following. These companies have shown that they wield a huge amount of power. With their actions in the Georgia Senate in removing Republic ads, hey have likely frightened 50 sitting Senators. The democratic party has never shied away from regulation. So we likely now have two parties aligned in their desire for control of social media. Will this result strong federal regulation for social media and its ecosystem (AWS, Google Cloud, App stores)?

I wouldn't expect nationalization or audience distribution limitations, but instead perhaps application of exceedingly strong federal oversight over any media distribution platform and its ecosystem akin to early days of radio and television.

An end result of this would be a dramatic change in how freely they operate, putting them in a regulatory position akin to Microsoft's 2002 consent decree.

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post #675

I'm distressed and saddened at how many of the free speech proponents on HN are treating the events of January 6 as if it was just another protest and not an existential threat to the republic. The president's followers said for weeks that "the storm" was coming Jan 6. Nobody took them seriously. Look what happened. The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and other followers incited it. Yes the execution of the…

You cannot base your judgement on emotions, especially in times like this.

> His followers have now begun talking about returning with arms. Only fools would assume that these threats are idle talk or jokes.

I don't understand why it is so surprising for anyone, but this is what happens when you're trying to censor people. Banning Trump and censoring his supporters was a mistake, because it's basically like a declaration of war. If the social media waited like a month into the Biden presidency, Trump supporters would scream about the Big Tech into the ether and everything would die down eventually, but instead they decided to do it at the worst possible moment.

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I am in favor of these matters being handled and adjudicated via the courts, not by private entities with no due process, arbitrary process and limited oversight. For all we know there was a limited group of users of that service that caused this action, however we don’t know and likely will never know the facts in this matter.

I would imagine Amazon is likely to be sued if they continue allowing Parler to remain on their cloud without dramatically improving moderation of violent and illegal content. Sure Amazon could probably fight such a suit and win, but why would they waste that money and take that risk? Plus, who really want to be seen as fighting for Parler right now?

Maybe Amazons motives are not really based on their obligation to protect the company from unnecessary liability. Maybe that is just a handy excuse for getting rid of a customer that is hurting their reputation. It is difficult to say from the outside. But even then how do we decide which companies are allowed cease business with customers damage their reputation. What if a smaller provider has an existentially large customer who threatens to leave if they don't stop doing business with another unsavory customer. Will have a rule that is so strict they just have to go out of business? Or will we not allow the large customer to leave? It is god damned mine field.

This is all such a beautiful example of the immense complexity of the real world. People must make hard decisions where there are no clearly right answers. Maybe they try to do the most ethical thing, maybe they look out for their company, or maybe they serve their own selfish interest. Regardless, there is lots of potential for unintended consequences. For one, others will then frame those actions and the consequences in a narrative to support their own business or political goals.

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I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

These are the same people who say "WeLl WhY dOnT u ReWrItE iT iN C???"
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