Everyone, I think it's time that we acknowledge that Facebook may have a slight tendency to deceptively invade users privacy and never ever keep any promise it makes. Nothing to worry about but just ya know, good to be aware of. /s
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That might be true, but it's not an "absurd suggestion." Amazon will sell you a Kindle for nearly 20% cheaper if you let it show you ads.
In terms of actual dollars, those ads are worth about 20. The value isn't much different for a TV. When many commercial displays are hundreds of dollars more, it's pretty absurd to suggest ads are a large factor.
Only hundreds of dollars? Where do you find those? I would by a dumb panel on a trustworthy device for mere hundreds more.
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#734This is a been a problem with Rift from the start. Of course it's 100x worse to require an FB account but regardless, a record is kept of everything you do with the device. VR-Chat 2 hrs day? Virt-A-Mate every night? Using that video app from pornhub? All recorded and sent to facebook.
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#735And? Did you think Facebook bought them cuz they thought VR was cool.
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As a CEO of a company that is being sold you can not make any binding statements about the future of the company you will no longer own . This is really management 101 and Palmer Luckey does not strike me as an absolute beginner here, he knew how to get funded, how to execute and had a ton of people telling him this would happen. Of course he and FB had a pretty strong incentive to ensure that there wouldn't be an im…
While your points are reasonable and I’d normally agree with them, Palmer as a person seems to be the opposite of this. Look at his exit from FB and his funding of Trump groups in 2016. His life, in its successes and failures, has often been the result of what appears to be optimistic naivety. He believed BigCo FB would keep their word to him on FB login not being required. He believed FB wouldn’t essentially fire hi…
Optimistic naivety? Extreme narcissism.
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Rights are something you need to constantly fight for, otherwise they absolutely will go away. Portland isn't just bored, they're ahead of the curve.
What’s the context of the Portland reference?
The US Fed govt sent unmarked, masked troops to Portland who then detained people without identifying themselves using rental vehicles and not disclosing why during the riots. Basically what happens during a kidnapping. Also I believe after mayor and governor ask them to leave. Not the first time in current events either.
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#738Palmer Luckey, the original creator had this to say over on /r/oculus: I am already getting heat from users and media outlets who say this policy change proves I was lying when I consistently said this wouldn't happen, or at least that it was a guarantee I wasn't in a position to make. I want to make clear that those promises were approved by Facebook in that moment and on an ongoing basis, and I really believed it w…
Most of the folks on this thread are commenting from the perspective of 2020, but Facebook had pretty significantly different reputation in 2014, especially around M&A. They had recently brought in both Instagram and WhatsApp without meddling in either their product stacks or their leadership teams. It's easy to claim now that this was all naive, but at the time it was plausible that these organizations and brands wo…
Partner Luckey himself had admitted he was wrong. Why are you holding out and embarassing yourself further?
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Those who say they can’t be bought are either saints (rare), or have never had a reasonable chance of being offered their price. Most humans will get very morally flexible once offered enough resources; this is precisely why we have contracts and courts, to create structural systems more capable of upholding agreements than individual humans can do alone.
It's also why we have immutable smart contracts on the blockchain. Can't be evil > don't be evil
Immutability doesn't actually solve much in the way of real-world problems. Most contract lawsuits don't concern accusations of secretly forging altered contracts, or any disparity between copies: they concern interpretations. And if you've ever read a typical boilerplate contract for most any serious transaction, you'll see they cover "if-then" situations about as much as can be reasonably be done.
Explain the mechanism by which a smart contract in this instance would both have made it impossible for Facebook to make this move and, if they did anyway, avoided the necessity of Palmer to sue them over it.
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#740Palmer Luckey, the original creator had this to say over on /r/oculus: I am already getting heat from users and media outlets who say this policy change proves I was lying when I consistently said this wouldn't happen, or at least that it was a guarantee I wasn't in a position to make. I want to make clear that those promises were approved by Facebook in that moment and on an ongoing basis, and I really believed it w…
To the extent that Facebook made those promises to someone authorized to disseminate them, I wonder if they've opened themselves up to refund claims well beyond original purchase dates. If anyone purchased the device relying upon Palmer Luckey's promises, that could be promissory estoppel. (Not a lawyer, etc etc.)
Class action lawsuit ending in a $20 coupon for next Oculus purchase.