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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by SiempreViernes »

hans1729 wrote: post #704
mxcrossb wrote: post #282

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Just yesterday I listened to an interview with a medical expert, and the host asked him if he should cancel his domestic holiday plans. The host assured him that was premature. And yet here we are the next day. The situation is evolving rapidly.

>The host assured him that was premature. And yet here we are the next day. The situation is evolving rapidly. Meh. Your personal risk to become infected via $generic_domestic_holidays is pretty low, but the risk to increase the overall threat-vector by allowing open flights from domestic zones is very high. The personal assessment just differs from the supervising political assessment, while the observed/assessed si…

Yeah, you need a influenza epidemic expert, all the rests are just repeating second-hand information.

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Post by madeofpalk »

cranekam wrote: post #696
cm2187 wrote: post #646

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Does it apply to H1B holders? (Are they “US residents”?)

I don't know for sure but my assumption is that H1B holders (and potentially green card holders, which are "permanent residents") are not excluded from this ban. As many others have mentioned here it's not easy to prevent a citizen from returning; permanent residents and visa holders can be refused entry much more easily. I didn't write this rule though so I don't know if this interpretation is correct.

Most importantly, H1B holders are not permanent residents. It's very much a temporary. Most countries that are issuing travel bans exclude citizens and permanent residents.

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Post by rimliu »

dx034 wrote: post #625
jorblumesea wrote: post #142

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Europe is a huge place and it's hard to pin it down to a single culture. The collectivism is mainly seen in northern Europe and Scandinavian countries. If you've ever been to Napoli or Sicily you wouldn't feel the same way. Feels more like Morocco sometimes. Many parts are really not as collectivist as people seem to think. Not as collectivist as Asia at least, not even close. Individualistic tendencies are strong ov…

I would've thought that the closer personal contact in Southern Europe (hugging/kissing for greetings) would spread it faster. But if you look at infection rates, most more Northern countries now look pretty similar to how it spread in Italy 1-2 weeks ago. So not sure if culture actually plays a role. I guess it's all down to the economy, business travel spread it a lot. that's why areas with strong economies seem to…

AFAIK (correct me if I am wrong), but must cases in DK, NO, SE are still brought back from Italy.

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Post by madeofpalk »

dcolkitt wrote: post #114
moosey wrote: post #58

I feel like there are some particular cultural attributes in the United States that make this useless at this point. The United States has a very individualistic attitude. Sure, we can pause travel from Europe, but the current administration is very anti-europe. Can we pause travel in the US? I strongly doubt that we can effectively given the strong anti-expertise attitudes as well. My guess is that the United States…

On the other hand, Americans have much larger and more comfortable homes than Europeans. Americans have big garages to stockpile supplies, which means less trips to the store. Very few people use public transportation regularly. Most people have private back yards. Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru. More Americans use e-commerce for shopping than Europeans. In Europe by contrast, much more of life revolves a…

> Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru

Wait until all the coronavirus infected hourly workers, who can't get treated because of a lack of healthcare and who have to continue going to work so they can pay rent, infect everyone through the take-out food :)

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Post by needmoney04 »

forkexec wrote: post #711
toyg wrote: post #705

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I expect the natural answer is EDT (Washington DC time) but it's an extremely legitimate question in a country as big as the US and it should have been stated more clearly by the Dyslexic In Chief.

Mea culpa. Makes sense when someone can't distinguish between themselves, their business and a country, so it would never be UTC. That would be too convenient for other people.

Does anybody know for certain if friday midnight means friday 00:00 am or friday 11:59 pm? Basically, start of day friday or end of day?

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Post by jaclaz »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #603
remarkEon wrote: post #557

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I'm guessing we're going to get a lot of these sentiments over the next couple weeks (months?), about how these restrictions are interfering with the comforts of modern life. Let it stand as a reminder of how good we have it, and how fragile things actually are. It's a pandemic. There's going to be some bumps.

The ridiculous part of this whole travel ban 3.0 is that it is totally unnecessary. If the U.S. had proper testing infrastructure, we could test every single person arriving from abroad and make them wait the 4 hours required to get a read. S. Korea has that type of testing infrastructure. We invented the darn technology. There are no excuses for the deplorable, laughable, incompetent, disgraceful (I could go on) rol…

Then, the first positive result that you get should mean that the whole plane is at risk, after all we are talking of people that have been jammed together on the plane for some 8 hours (on the same recirculating air) and then kept (possibly also jammed together) for another 5-6 hours at the airport to wait for the results, that is - from what I can understand of the way the virus is transmitted - the perfect environment to diffuse the virus.

The only meaningful way I can imagine (not doable in practice) is having travelers lodged at a departure airport hotel, and be tested before taking the flight.

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Post by tom_mellior »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #692
dx034 wrote: post #607

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> Can people coming from other parts just have a layover in UK and be get permission to enter the US? I believe anyone who's been to the Schengen Area in the past x days faces the ban. Excluding the UK and Ireland surely had political reasons (the UK now also has >400 cases) but it's hard to define Europe if you don't use either Schengen or EU (both of which the UK isn't a part of).

>it's hard to define Europe if you don't use either Schengen or EU The mass of land resting North of the Mediterranean sea and West of the Ural mountains from which there is no land route to America.

Ireland and the UK are not part of that "mass of land" :-)

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Post by chinesempire »

sagichmal wrote: post #720
tomnj wrote: post #628

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Allow me to rephrase then: while the overall population density of the US is low, we have some pretty large dense areas, including Southern California and the northeast megalopolis

Compared to similar areas elsewhere in the world, especially Asia, these areas are not dense at all. Wuhan, which you surely hadn't heard of before this crisis, is ~denser than~ nearly as dense as New York City, for example.

Is it though?

----------------------------

Wuhan Central Districts

population: 6,434,373

density: 7,242/km2

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New York

population: 8,398,748

density: 10,715/km2

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Post by chinesempire »

tom_mellior wrote: post #737
IIAOPSW wrote: post #692

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it's hard to define Europe if you don't use either Schengen or EU The mass of land resting North of the Mediterranean sea and West of the Ural mountains from which there is no land route to America.

Ireland and the UK are not part of that "mass of land" :-)

True, but technically both are

- North of the Mediterranean sea

- West of the Ural mountains

- no land route to America

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Post by autokad »

himalayan_yak wrote: post #604

Trying hard not to be political. But POTUS speech seems to make things lot worse than better along anything. The efficacy of this travel ban is questionable (given all these exceptions such as one for UK. Can people coming from other parts just have a layover in UK and be get permission to enter the US?). But lets give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they did so in good faith. It is what's not in the sp…

a lot of people who criticize the ban says its arbitrary, etc etc. go to the site below. you can also sort by total cases / 1m pop. US stopped travel to China while the EU did not, and you can see that in the numbers. Right now, the US has one of the lowest rates in the world: 4 per million.

If you want to call Trump for a mistake, it was not banning travel from EU sooner, when they themselves didn't ban travel to China.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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