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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jjcm »

Ambroos wrote: post #387
insta_anon wrote: post #242

Can someone explain to me how Apple can justify only including a 720p FaceTime HD camera into the "the world’s best pro notebook"? The last iPhone that had this FaceTime camera was the 6S, released in 2015. Since the iPhone 7 (2016) the phones have had at least a 1080p FaceTime camera. Given that FaceTime / Skype calls are such a common use case and rarely anyones uses external webcams anymore, why doesn't Apple use…

Could it be a limitation in thickness? Laptop display assemblies are thin, which means you need a very small lens and as a result probably can only fit a very small sensor. There's a lot more room for camera modules in phones.

That’s my guess as well. If you look at ifixit’s iPhone 11 tear down, the selfie camera takes up almost the full thickness of the phone[1]. The lid of the MacBook is much thinner. People are mentioning the front facing cameras of the surface are better, but they have much more depth to work with. I’m still disappointed the camera res hasn’t improved for almost a decade now, but I suspect you’re right in that the thinness of the lid is the limiting factor.

[1] https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+11+Pro+Max+Teardown/1... BBC’s

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ProZsolt »

pentae wrote: post #687
donkeyd wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things change, deal with it. I've swapped USB cables to USB-C cables. Only USB drives, which i rarely use anymore require an adapter. Meanwhile, I can use all 4 ports to: - Run a display - Charge my laptop - Charge a phone - Connect a drive I can even use a single port to both charge the laptop and run a screen with multiple USB devices attached to it. I now need to daisy chain converters to use my PS/2 mouse on my M…

Having 4 USB-C's is a bit like having 4 Ferraris. Sometimes you need something a bit more practical. People will still be using USB-A for the next 10 years. Having to use a dongle for USB-A on a 16" macbook is pretty ridiculous. There's still a billion USB-A accessories out there and will be for a long time. Apple jumped the gun in a major way. This wasn't like dropping the floppy disc or CD-rom drive considering how…

There are still devices currently that use floppy disks. The only accessory I have that uses hardwired USB-A is my Logitech C920 webcam. All other stuff has a detachable cable. I will just change the USB-A to (Micro)USB-B cable to USB-C to (Micro)USB-B

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jiveturkey »

Someone1234 wrote: post #22

Holy heck, they re-added a physical escape key. That's a huge improvement. a slight shame they didn't just move the touchbar up and re-add the F key row too, but it is a good compromise and improvement regardless. This could be the one a lot of people have been waiting for if the new switches/design pans out. PS - Although I might be an unusual demographic as I touch type and wouldn't use the touchbar regardless (sin…

> a slight shame they didn't just move the touchbar up and re-add the F key row too

yeah, considering the massive 16" size, there's definitely room for another row of keys. I could see if a diminuitive air came out with touchbar, you want both weight and space savings so nuke it. but with 16" and six speakers just add the damn keys!

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by wil421 »

fhood wrote: post #606
andy_ppp wrote: post #555

Thicker, Escape Key, larger battery, better keyboard... it's almost as if Jonny Ive has left Apple!

Apple should just release a really really expensive version of the air. That way people looking for a designer laptop have something they can throw too much money at, and the rest of us can have a mbp that makes some allowances for performance. Edit: I may be overly snarky, but I find it hard to imagine that recent mbp models were not influenced by the social clout that the iphone brought to the apple brand.

Apple had social clout way before the iPhone. Macs were always expensive.

Apple created a twentieth anniversary Mac (TAM) that cost $7,500 in 1998 and was delivered to your house by a Limo. The driver wore white gloves and hand delivered the TAM.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by saagarjha »

Zenst wrote: post #136
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

When it comes to function keys, you either use them lots or rarely and for the former, yes - a physical key is prefered by far. However I see the advantages in other situations with the touchbar, however it would be great if the users had a choice. How hard would it be to have the touchbar in a modular design form that was user changeable and they could fit a row of keys instead? However, there is always the option o…

> How hard would it be to have the touchbar in a modular design form that was user changeable and they could fit a row of keys instead?

Pretty hard, I'd think. It would probably make the computer thicker and/or clunkier.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by hellofunk »

Someone1234 wrote: post #22

Holy heck, they re-added a physical escape key. That's a huge improvement. a slight shame they didn't just move the touchbar up and re-add the F key row too, but it is a good compromise and improvement regardless. This could be the one a lot of people have been waiting for if the new switches/design pans out. PS - Although I might be an unusual demographic as I touch type and wouldn't use the touchbar regardless (sin…

> Although I might be an unusual demographic as I touch type

This gave me a chuckle since nearly every person I know (90% at least) is a touch typer.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Izmaki »

insta_anon wrote: post #245
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

Agreed, as long as I am forced to use the TouchBar, it personally for me is not "the world’s best pro notebook".

For shuffling VMs it's really helpful.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by _coveredInBees »

insta_anon wrote: post #242

Can someone explain to me how Apple can justify only including a 720p FaceTime HD camera into the "the world’s best pro notebook"? The last iPhone that had this FaceTime camera was the 6S, released in 2015. Since the iPhone 7 (2016) the phones have had at least a 1080p FaceTime camera. Given that FaceTime / Skype calls are such a common use case and rarely anyones uses external webcams anymore, why doesn't Apple use…

I suspect it is related to them pushing a much thinner bezel to squeeze in a 16" screen in a 15" chassis. If true, I'd happily accept that tradeoff since screen realestate is far more important to me than a jump from 720p to 1080p for my webcam.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by snowwrestler »

dpedu wrote: post #662
snowwrestler wrote: post #52

11 years ago I bought a 15” MacBook Pro, the first model year with the unibody design. I’m still using it almost every day for web browsing, watching videos, editing documents, etc. In 2008, it cost $2,400. The new 16” released today costs... $2,400.

This isn't correct. The late 2008 Macbook Pro base price was $1,999 [1]. The new 16" base price is $2,400 [2]. [1] https://lowendmac.com/2008/15-macbook-pro-late-2008/ [2] https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch

My processor speed is 2.53, so based on your [1], I must have bought the $2,500 model. But I remember getting some kind of Black Friday deal on it; that's how I know it's about 11 years old.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by hellofunk »

markus_zhang wrote: post #685
Ambroos wrote: post #77

For others who might be wondering, this replaces the 15-inch MacBook Pro. There's a small increase in size (15 vs 16): - Thickness: 1.55cm to 1.62cm (+0.7mm, +4.5%) - Width: 34.93cm to 35.79cm (+0.86cm, +2.5%) - Depth: 24.07cm to 24.59cm (+0.52cm, +2.2%) - Weight: 1.83kg to 2.0kg (+170gr, +9.3%) The display alone is ~1.3cm wider (and ~0.7cm higher), so there was a small reduction in bezel sizes, allowing the screen t…

I have a question for you Mac users. Assuming that you don't treat the machine badly, no extra care (e.g. never open up to do maintenance), and have to carry it around half of the time. How long do you think a Macbook would last in average? For the Lenovo I'm using I'd say about 5 years because I break things so easily...it's reaching retirement.

I used a 2011 MacBook Pro for about 6 years, carrying it in a backpack on a bike every day.
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