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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by jancsika » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

1123581321 wrote: post #725

chrisseaton wrote: post #694

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I don’t understand how you think it’s any different - you ask ‘can you reduce the price for the paint finish’ and I ask ‘can you reduce the bottom line price’. In both cases it’s the same reduction in their profit margin. Why do a dance around which line item it supposedly comes off?

Because they will say no to your question and yes to jancsika’s question. We’ve given you some reasons why rhetorical/persuasive skill and willingness to work to find an angle on a negotiation improves the results. There is a difference simply because the results are different, whether due to the need to save face, behavior psychology, sales training, or more intangible factors.

Just to be clear-- in reality the game is rigged by the dealership and salesperson such that it is extremely likely one will pay too much for the vehicle. Or at least the sale will not be optimized for TCO. And that is regardless of whether one plays the salesperson's game or tries to "beat the game."

What I'm saying is that either OP will accidentally give away information at the outset that virtually guarantees overpayment-- "Here's what I can afford"-- or robotically repeat a fair price calculated ahead of time and request TCO optimization until they are thrown out of the dealership.

It'd be like going to a shell game and requesting to pay $7 so your kid can have 10 guesses at where the shell is. Then when they ignore you, start asking what's wrong with that, I mean, those are the odds, no? I've even rounding up for that pure profit. Why wouldn't someone with a big crowd of good faith players want to accept that?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by solean » Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 10:46 PM UTC

7e wrote: post #487

tfehring wrote: post #128

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> buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics. But only if you arbitrarily include the difference in fuel costs, which makes Tesla look cheaper, and exclude the differences in insurance and maintenance costs, which make Tesla look more expensive.

Further, Tesla does not include the costs of a home charger, nor the cost of the yearly EV tax imposed by 17 states.

The charger comes with the car

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by aaomidi » Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

outworlder wrote: post #43

aaomidi wrote: post #26

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Maybe its cheaper to make the batteries in China?

Doubtful, otherwise the Gigafactory would make little sense.

I said it'd be cheaper, not more expensive.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by jmpman » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 6:15 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #98

jmpman wrote: post #75

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It’s not the promise I’d signed up for. When I dropped my $2k reservation, it was for a $35,000 car, including a $7500 government rebate, or net $27500 (plus tax lic etc). Instead of delivering my car in the order the reservation was placed, (in that scenario, I’d get the full $7500 rebate), my reservation was reprioritized for Tesla’s bottom line. Would I have done the same thing in Elon’s shoes, sure, but just beca…

That’s fair, but then it’s not necessarily all about what you want. Part of it is helping invest in accelerating the world’s transition to sustainable energy. Personally I’m ok with that. ymmv. How was your reservation $2k though? It makes me wonder if you are really a reservation holder, given that you got the amount wrong. Fake outrage?

I put down two reservations, at $1k each. So, my outrage is quite real. I intended to buy two $35k versions, after rebate at $27,500, that’s a better deal than any Honda Accord. And, I didn’t request my refund back because I believed in the vision. However, now I’m even more pissed, so I’ve made the refund request.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by 1123581321 » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 4:42 PM UTC

jancsika wrote: post #731

1123581321 wrote: post #725

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Because they will say no to your question and yes to jancsika’s question. We’ve given you some reasons why rhetorical/persuasive skill and willingness to work to find an angle on a negotiation improves the results. There is a difference simply because the results are different, whether due to the need to save face, behavior psychology, sales training, or more intangible factors.

Just to be clear-- in reality the game is rigged by the dealership and salesperson such that it is extremely likely one will pay too much for the vehicle. Or at least the sale will not be optimized for TCO. And that is regardless of whether one plays the salesperson's game or tries to "beat the game." What I'm saying is that either OP will accidentally give away information at the outset that virtually guarantees ove…

That makes sense — thank you.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by natch » Fri, Mar 08, 2019, 1:34 AM UTC

sjm-yc-acct wrote: post #451

natch wrote: post #249

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I see how it’s a joke. Looks almost exactly like an old Camry.

In all seriousness, and hopefully more constructively--there really is a lot to like about the Tesla Model 3. We have been looking for a new car for a while, and we did consider the Model 3. I just wish they had retained some more of the instrumentation/controls like the speedometer in front of the driver. I've been thinking about this more tonight and in a way, the clean minimalistic interior design of the Model 3 i…

The speedometer is pretty close to in front of the driver. Nnot exactly in front, I understand that.

Keep in mind there’s a lot of misinformation out there. For example people have wrongly complained that turning on the wipers requires a bunch of interaction with menus on the screen and such. Not really. Usually they are on auto. If you really want to force an immediate wipe, there’s a dedicated hardware button for it right where you’d expect. Just an example. I could say more about it but... I’m replying to a six day old comment and maybe you already know this stuff.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by BoorishBears » Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 6:11 PM UTC

treve wrote: post #729

BoorishBears wrote: post #632

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You’re like the 3rd person to say this and I have to assume you’re not that good with money if you think tying up 60 thousand dollars in a car when interest rates are at 2 percent makes sense. There’s a level of financial knowledge that’s just dangerous enough to hurt you, and I’d say this is it.

Yet here we are, one of us is having problems with credit, because they took a 60K loan on a luxury item and then decided they didn't like it. What was your next big loan for?

Another car maybe?

I’m not having any problems with credit, do I detect a tinge of jealousy in your overtly rude comment?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by dpkonofa » Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 10:09 PM UTC

Judgmentality wrote: post #396

dpkonofa wrote: post #360

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That's not true, though. You can still go to a Tesla dealer and test drive one. You can't necessarily test drive the exact model that you would buy but that's exactly the edge case that the new return policy is meant to address.

Did you miss the part where they said they're closing their stores?

Looks like I was right.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by treve » Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 6:30 PM UTC

BoorishBears wrote: post #737

treve wrote: post #729

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Yet here we are, one of us is having problems with credit, because they took a 60K loan on a luxury item and then decided they didn't like it. What was your next big loan for?

Another car maybe? I’m not having any problems with credit, do I detect a tinge of jealousy in your overtly rude comment?

Not at all. Just different spending habits. Never been in debt in my life, and I'm pretty happy with that.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by mgoetzke » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 6:58 AM UTC

amclennon wrote: post #653

mgoetzke wrote: post #609

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Because everybody in a country pays the same price. Just because some people live near by the factory or want to make an event out of it doesn't mean they get it cheaper. I believe all car companies do this (I had to pay a delivery fee when I got my BMW at the factory). Not sure whether it is a law though.

I don't think that's actually true. My Volvo was around ~$5k cheaper (plus free plane tickets to Sweden) when I picked it up from the factory. This also takes into account the complimentary shipment to my local dealer in the United States. I've been told that BMW has a similar European Delivery program.

In my case I did pay a delivery fee picking it up from the factory. They did make a small event out of it of course, it being presented on a turn-table show like floor etc, but other than that it was mostly waiting and then fueling up as the first thing because the car is basically running on fumes when you get it. I did not have to pay my dealer anything of course. That would have cost something extra possibly.