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Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by Izkata »

staticassertion wrote: post #458
dylan604 wrote: post #403

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> and I don't like Firefox's UI/UX Maybe I'm not as critical about the UI, but I have both browsers open at the same time so I took a second to compare them. Both browsers have a row of tabs. Below that is a second row. The left most set of buttons is navigation (back, forward, refresh, etc), then the address bar, then on the very right of the row is a set of buttons for extensions, settings, etc. The remaining porti…

On the surface they're quite similar, I agree. I won't pretend that Firefox has some whole separate UX decision process that's ruining it for me. It is, like all decisions between similar products, a matter of my own pet nit. I dislike Firefox's zooming behavior. I have to zoom into websites because I have poor vision. Chrome's zoom behavior has been extremely natural for me, and easy to adjust to. When I used Firefo…

> When I used Firefox I attempted to use 'vanilla' as well as an extension that aimed to improve the zooming behavior by separating scale of text from scale of other elements, etc.

I don't know how Chrome does it, but needing an extension sounds like you didn't try the built-in text zoom: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/font-size-and-zoom-incr...

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by Izkata »

zcid wrote: post #695
Izkata wrote: post #660

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What are you talking about? I've been using TreeStyleTabs with containers for a good year or so.

I'm sure you're aware that not every user will have the same experience with a piece of software. There are a couple of bugs referenced in the Github issues for TST relevant to containers. There is a workaround, but I experience the issue again within a half hour. Not worth it to me.

Alright, it's just that the phrasing - blaming it on the new API - made it sound like an inherent flaw that would affect everyone, which definitely isn't right.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by 50656E6973 »

Bizarro wrote: post #341
50656E6973 wrote: post #265

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Its not a free market

It's not a free market, so let's make it less of a free market by getting the government involved. That's the plan, right?

Ehhh...you could probably just take away all the government protections such as patents and subsidies/tax breaks instead

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by Izkata »

dylan604 wrote: post #469
vSanjo wrote: post #438

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Your reply resounded with me a little. I agree with the person you replied to, I don't like the UI/UX. I think it's the 'second level' of UI stuff - menu's behind buttons, settings pages, things like that. I think Chrome does a good job balancing 'advanced user' and 'basic user' stuff. Firefox feels a little too 'dumbed down' for me. I'm honestly trying hard to put a fine point on it, but it a lot of it just feels 'o…

I was going to add a stipulation about the about:settings type stuff being different and what not, but chose not to originally. My thinking was how often are you in settings that it's a problem? I'm not a browser power user, so I only go in to the settings usually after reading something here. I set it, and forget it. Maybe 30 seconds? As far as dev stuff, I'm really only familiar with Firefox after Firebug was rolle…

It's almost entirely the more in-depth stuff. For example, differences I find annoying include seeing raw ajax values, re-runnning those queries, and how Chrome can't select individual log levels to view in the console.

On top of that, various parts of Firebug's console UI was better than either one's current console, mainly in how it displayed data.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by nvarsj »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #716
nvarsj wrote: post #659

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Yeah, it's totally anecdotal and just my experience. I would really like to use Firefox. I may try it again. Quantum made such a big improvement on Linux which is why I gave it a shot and stuck with it so long. But it still had issues for me.

Out of curiosity, what distro, display server and GPU drivers do you use?

Arch/X/Intel.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by techntoke »

decebalus1 wrote: post #498
techntoke wrote: post #374

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Because Firefox doesn't offer any extra security controls over Chromium, in fact I would say they are way worse than vanilla Chromium on Arch. Therefore it makes sense to go with the browser that performs well, rather than one consuming a bunch of resources unnecessarily.

what security controls are you referring to? Also, I think we were talking about performance. How is performance relevant to security controls? And again, how does that imply that Mozilla is better/not better than Google? I'm starting to believe I'm talking to a bot.

I'm referring to the security controls that Mozilla and their Apple-like fan group claims give it an advantage over Chromium. I am saying that I do not believe that it has any security or privacy advantage to Chromium, and the performance is worse, so there is no reason to be in the Mozilla cult-like fan club.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by yogthos »

zmmmmm wrote: post #485
yogthos wrote: post #252

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I really don't understand why people prefer Chrome to Firefox, it's a better browser all around in my experience.

I use FireFox full time, but I think it's inferior to Chrome. It's uglier, slower and clunkier. I use it because although I'm more than happy to hand a lot of my digital life over to Google (and I'm really not a zealot about this), the ability to observe every single web site I visit ever and every interaction I have with those sites is just a bridge too far.

Prior to 60x I would agree, but nowadays I personally prefer the look and feel of FireFox. I haven't noticed any real clunkiness outside of Google sites like Gmail either. Chrome might still be smoother, but I haven't used it in over a year now, and I don't miss it. That's the key part for me, FF works well enough that I don't feel like I'm settling.

And I completely agree with you regarding ideological reasons to use FF. You don't have to be a zealot to value your privacy.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by mbrumlow »

jgtrosh wrote: post #639
jgtrosh wrote: post #575

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I actually don't switch to Firefox because I'm on i3. I fell in love with surf-like browsing, and am able to somewhat get the same result with chrome in --app mode. There is however no way (to my knowledge) to get tab-less full-window browsing in Firefox.

edit: I just installed the tab-less extension, edited my userChrome.css, and I'm really happy with the results. I'm going to give Firefox a go from now on!

Can you please share a screenshot, and information on what you edited in userChrome.css ?

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by neuralRiot »

binaryblitz wrote: post #728
BoiledCabbage wrote: post #727

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I'm not necessarily of this opinion, but his view is that knowing what you had for breakfast and your address is the same as your bank account # or house keys; it's just that people haven't realized this yet. Their argument is that the reason why people say house keys, or bank act # is different is because they are protecting something of value. His argument is what you do on a daily basis is just as valuable you jus…

At a certain point, is that necessarily a bad thing? If the AI knows me so well, it's probably something I would buy/want anyway. If my house starts cooking bacon and eggs in the morning based on it's analysis of me, and there's a 90% chance that's what I want, awesome. A lot of people already do it with driving. On my commute to work every day, I go the way google maps tells me to. Google is effectively controlling…

It's not that they know what you want, it's that they make you want it. And that destroys individuality, creativity and the last bit of freedom we still have.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by AsyncAwait »

nvarsj wrote: post #735
AsyncAwait wrote: post #716

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Out of curiosity, what distro, display server and GPU drivers do you use?

Arch/X/Intel.

Hmm...that is super strange then. Intel has definitely been the most solid for me when it comes to GPU stability, including in Firefox. I primarily use a workstation with an AMD GPU, but have a secondary laptop with Intel and had no issues with Firefox there whatsoever. I am also on Arch. The only time I ever experienced frequent crashes was when I was testing the Wayland build early on, (they still happen sometimes on Wayland, which is still experimental in Firefox, but on X things have been solid for me).

I am honestly perplexed what the issue could be then, I was sure you were using an NVidia with the proprietary drivers or something like that, as such setups have caused me trouble in the past.

The only thing is I wouldn't recommend turning on WebRender for everything yet, but it's not on by default so I doubt you had it on.

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