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Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by dang »

joezydeco wrote: post #28

"In essence, the HR department blackmailed me that if I make noise, I’d be fired. I was distraught by the HR department’s response especially considering that most of the HR folks I dealt with were women." Say it over and over, say it loud, and say it to every single person entering the US workforce from day one: H/R ACTS AND WILL ALWAYS ACT IN THE COMPANY'S BEST INTERESTS. NOT YOURS. Amy's situation was grave, and k…

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Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by gaius »

This is the part that really hits me. When, in a meeting, Mike#2 says to "stop being a whiny little bitch"

Yet Torvalds says worse all the time, and he's a geek hero. I sense a double standard here, and I'm not sure why.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by Sacho »

lsiebert wrote: post #713
enraged_camel wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>I disagree that anonymous, unverifiable grievances impose on otherwise ethical and rational people a positive obligation of specific personal demand for belief or compassion. Amy's specific experiences may or may not be verifiable. I believe you are missing the point though. This isn't about Amy herself. If it were, she would have come out publicly, like Susan has. I suspect the reason Amy posted her story anonymou…

Wouldn't a false story that could be disproven only serve to cast doubt on Fowler's claim rather then support it? I just don't see anyone with any brains trying to create a false narrative to smear Uber.

There's many explanations why you would post a "false story" despite being "reasonable":

- "Amy" might not think she's lying at all, but a combination of misunderstandings and POV-blindness can quickly turn an "awful" story around to a banal situation

- "Amy" isn't necessarily looking to "reinforce the narrative" - it is certainly possible that they just want empathy or attention(which is practically guaranteed, see this thread). You could parallel this with the hoax hate crimes that were reported once Trump was in office - they would all hurt the otherwise legitimate point that bigotry is on the rise, yet the people still did it, quite often claiming that they were going through a rough patch and wanted some sympathy and attention.

- Even if "Amy" was lying, they may be relying on the impossibility of Uber to defend themselves. If they aggressively pursue the claims, they will receive a ton of backlash for harassing an alleged survivor.

> I just don't see anyone with any brains trying to create a false narrative to smear Uber.

The case doesn't have to be a "false narrative" - boosting a shitty situation beyond its actual levels is certainly a bonus to any Uber competitor, or anyone who dislikes Uber. It may absolutely be the case that Uber has a systemic problem; or alternatively, they have had an unfortunate clump of scandals, boosted by their unpopular business practices making it easy to believe that Uber really are monsters. At that point, it's easy to pile on any accusation, people will believe it, and it hurts Uber.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by simplehuman »

Cannot believe people are assuming this completely anonymous post is true. Did people just forget the whole fake news thing just a couple of months back? This whole thing can be just creative writing for all we know. But this is armchair journalism at it's finest by HN readers.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by tanderson92 »

gaius wrote: post #732

This is the part that really hits me. When, in a meeting, Mike#2 says to "stop being a whiny little bitch" Yet Torvalds says worse all the time, and he's a geek hero. I sense a double standard here, and I'm not sure why.

Linus has made demeaning, sexist remarks to a woman to lower her self-worth and value, in a way worse than (or even similar to) "whiny little bitch" ? Please provide sources, I'm genuinely interested.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by amputect »

fencepost wrote: post #557
nanolith wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I saw a manager do what she described, no matter how high up the food chain he was, I'd frog march him to HR myself. I don't even care if they fire me for it. We don't tolerate stuff like this in this century.

Probably only until it became obvious that HR was suffering from the corporate equivalent of 995.81 (battered person syndrome) and will give a response of "Oh, he's a good person and has never done this before and I'm sure he'll never do it again, and if we rock the boat we'll be targeted as well." Frankly I think Uber has long passed the point where I expect to start hearing about leaked recordings and cellphone vid…

It's even better when it's "Oh, he's a good person and has never done this before and I'm sure he'll never do it again" followed by studiously failing to document the incident so that every time is the first time.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by kentrado »

loopdoend wrote: post #643
pfooti wrote: post #598

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This is the part that really hits me. When, in a meeting, Mike#2 says to "stop being a whiny little bitch", and he's not fired on the spot, something is not just wrong with Mike#2, something is systemically wrong . I don't work in Regular Tech (I'm in a teacher-education nonprofit), so I'm not as exposed to the SV bro culture. I'd like to think I'd speak up and fight for people who are marginalized in my workplace. I…

Let's not make excuses by blaming this on something like a widely-spread yet widely-derided culture. This behaviour is inexcusable, there is no excuse here. If you see something like this, as a man, you say something, and you stand up for your coworker. Otherwise, you lose your man license.

> you lose your man license.

If you want men to do something, just threaten their masculinity. It seems you know the infallible trick of emasculation.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by stoolpigeon »

zem wrote: post #416
uptownfunk wrote: post #183

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Maybe I've watched too much Suits and The Good Wife, but it just seems that it's all futile. They're a huge corp, if you file suit against them they'll hit back harder with bigger and badder lawyers, and you either settle out of court, or play the lotto with the court system and try your hand at a judgement with whatever lawyers you can afford. It's really sad how stacked the odds seem.

agreed, watching "the good wife" has been uncomfortably educational about how the system works.

I've never seen a movie or television show that portrayed something I knew well, where it was accurate.

Every time I thought I learned something from a movie or tv show it was because they were portraying something I didn't know a lot about. I would be very slow to say any kind of entertainment like this is educational.

Re: I am an Uber survivor

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Post by dang »

rustynails77 wrote: post #248

It's fantastic that we are seeing the selective exposure of sexism in the work place. I admire these people for having the courage to come out, especially given that some very high profile cases of sexism seem to be ignored by almost all of the mainstream media (MSM). As an example, I heard that Yahoo dismissed the majority of their senior male staff, unfairly. The Verge, Vox, The Daily Beast and a host of others did…

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