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Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by sytse »

i386 wrote: post #730
sytse wrote: post #728

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Atlassian now has two products that do the same thing. Jira for the complex cases and Trello for the simple ones. At GitLab we'll work very hard try to have on product that is pleasant to use for simple cases but still allows you to handle the complex ones. This is a huge UX challenge but it will allow our users to use a single product for all their needs, so they don't have to move projects between tools when they '…

I look forward to seeing that. Many product teams have tried that and failed miserably.

It indeed is hard. I'm happy that we don't have to get it right the first time but that we can iterate. As you've shown with your great work for Jenkins Blue Ocean it is possible to keep improving the simplicity of an interface even for a mature product.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by skinnymuch »

josho wrote: post #517
edraferi wrote: post #300

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Really? I'm pretty happy with it. Definitely better than Github desktop, and more full featured than the light git extensions you find in most editors. What Git GUI do you prefer?

Gitup for the Mac http://gitup.co Definitely my favourite client, and OSS to boot. I can't really think of much I'd want changed to improve it.

Thanks for this. Apparently I have the Github repo starred but missed out using it. The features look impressive.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by i386 »

sytse wrote: post #731
i386 wrote: post #730

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I look forward to seeing that. Many product teams have tried that and failed miserably.

It indeed is hard. I'm happy that we don't have to get it right the first time but that we can iterate. As you've shown with your great work for Jenkins Blue Ocean it is possible to keep improving the simplicity of an interface even for a mature product.

Whats the challenge in doing something that is easy huh? :)

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by nimchimpsky »

hobarrera wrote: post #650
nimchimpsky wrote: post #573

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https://developer.atlassian.com/blog/2015/01/a-better-pull-r...

This is really neat and educational, but I don't get how it's related. Is there some joke in the middle that's passing right over me?

its a key feature not present in gitlab/github.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by cookiecaper »

cheerioty wrote: post #593
rplnt wrote: post #136

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I very much doubt big enterprise clients use the services at bitbucket.com. Standalone is where it is at, and BitBucket (previously Stash) is a worthy competitor to GitLab (which was pain to setup just few years back). Big companies usually don't move at the speed of javascript frameworks.

"Big companies usually don't move at the speed of javascript frameworks" Well ;) https://twitter.com/sreuter/status/818614016801009664 ... Disclaimer: I work at Atlassian.

Hate to be a crotchety old man, but seeing people recruit heavily for JS just makes me like the company less. Really sick of seeing the increasingly-silly bandwagon jumping that goes on in the tech community.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by cookiecaper »

criley2 wrote: post #696
bhouston wrote: post #6

This makes sense. Atlassian is good at making money from its services and it is increasing its overall ecosystem here. Github moves really slow in comparison. I guess Github is more focused, but there are a lot of contrasts between Github and Atlassian, and in terms of making money I think Atlassian is doing a lot better. Has Github acquired anything significant? Github should have acquired Zenhub (which is Trello in…

I find it amusing that someone thinks Github moves slow in comparison to Atlassian. I feel like about 30% of all Github features have been released since the last major point release of Jira and Confluence, which themselves were buggy, poorly tested, crud as well. How does Atlassian move "fast"? Has Atlassian done.... anything worth noting in the past 3 years?

Atlassian is a bootstrapped enterprise software company. That alone should earn them a lot of respect.

I think that Atlassian's pace matches their customer's wishes. I believe that Bitbucket is more or less on ice, functions as a free GitHub for private repos, and provides an outlet for Atlassian to try to convert people into enterprise clients, and I think this is their intention for Trello too.

Enterprise clients do _not_ like rapid change, so I think that JIRA/Atlassian is on track. In the last 3 years, JIRA has integrated GreenHopper as JIRA Agile, and I don't know what/if anything else they've done, but I don't follow JIRA closely.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by WayneBro »

akjainaj wrote: post #190
WayneBro wrote: post #169

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I do use diffs for code review. I simply use a much, much better native tool instead of a crappy web tool.

I'm sure guys who have paid for the enterprise version of BitBucket would rather not have to pay $60 for every developer for BeyondCompare on top of what they pay for BitBucket

Yes, nobody would rather pay for anything though - so what kind of argument is that really? It's like saying "Who would pay extra for higher quality tools?" - the answer is: Lots of people would.

Personally, I pay for the best tools because they're worth the money. For that tool in particular, I paid $60 over 3 or 4 years ago. It's practically nothing compared to some of the other tools that we use.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by cookiecaper »

rushabh wrote: post #345
mhp wrote: post #329

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omg, I'm going to have a boss! I'll be working at Atlassian. Lots of stuff to still do in the future to reach our (and my) goals. And now we're going to have a lot more fuel for our engines to get there.

SAAS founder here. Firstly congrats on such a great exit, you and your team certainly deserve it! I would love to know what "more fuel for our engines means"? How much cash you are you looking to burn? From most listed SAAS companies spend upward 80% on sales and marketing. Are you planning to do more enterprise sales?

I'm sure it doesn't mean anything. He just has to sound excited to keep everyone happy.

I obviously have no idea how Trello is structured and whether Michael has any real ownership or not, given its unique history, but in the case of most SaaS founders, when their golden handcuffs expire, they call in rich, because duh, why wouldn't they? Especially after watching the bureaucracy at the acquirer kill their baby.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by cookiecaper »

bacongobbler wrote: post #601
iagooar wrote: post #321

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"Because you can" is the easiest answer you can give to anything. My comment was written because I feel like people say that Atlassian MUST expand beyond developers. So it doesn't feel like they WANT or they CAN.

Because their shareholders expect the biggest return for their money. This isn't a problem for self-funded companies (they don't have to live beyond their means if they don't need to), but if investors don't see growth they'll sell shares while it's still at its peak. That's business for you.

Yeah, the insatiable need for growth is definitely a function of the way we've structured the investment markets. Public companies depend on shareholders for capital. Shareholders buy your shares because they think you're going to be worth more money some day. Generally, companies become worth more money by increasing sales and developing new, diversified assets and product portfolios.
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