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post #84

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The fact that it's an outlier doesn't interest you? Maybe we have different definitions of "nerd".

The fact that it's an outlier means, statistically, that it is more likely to be wrong.

Yes, it's more likely to be wrong.

But this poll performed well in 2012[1] with the same methodology. As a polling nerd, wouldn't you be interested in why it is producing unusual results this year and what implications that might have for polling in general?

[1] http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-poll-faq-20161006-...

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I'm glad to see our Dutch friends have stayed sensible, I'm not-white and I'm voting for Trump because he will not prioritize blacks/mexicans over asian/indian people. There's a huge resentment in the asian communities, and it's super common to say "Fuck white people" "Don't hang out w/ white ppl". Because of built up resentment. if you're a minority learn the differences between white people and what they believe, y…

Has it occurred to you that Indians being good hasn't stopped the police from treating them like the bad kids, to expose one limit of your horrible creaking analogy?

rofl. White men just take asian and indian women and think there isn't an exploitative relationship. Because 'our'(Sikh people are more masculine so we suffer little to no issue). men are too weak to advocate their views.

I can have an extensive conversation with you, or even preferably the leadership in this community(Sam Altman, PG,JL).

I think i'll gun a clean sweep.

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#733
post #647

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You saying they're the same doesn't make them the same, you're aware of that right?

You saying they're not the same doesn't make them not the same, you're aware of that right? As you see that's a non-argument.

Actually me saying they're not the same would be a statement of fact.

As an American, forgive me for actually caring about my countries politics.

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#734
post #633

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Meanwhile, Adams doesn't believe that women on Twitter don't get threatened with rape and violence, and Trump motivates his supporters to coordinate and commit terror attacks on Muslim-looking Americans, e.g., http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/15/us/hate-crime-charges-in-a...

I don't know about this Adams statement (please add a link, I'd read it) but Trump "motivating" his supporters to "coordinate and commit terror attacks on Muslim-looking people"? I get it that you dislike Trump (fine by me) but how on earth did you convince yourself to believe something like that. (I have no doubt you do, you could probably pass a lie detector test without a problem repeating this statement)

http://bridge.georgetown.edu/when-islamophobia-turns-violent...

http://usuncut.com/news/there-have-been-23-hate-crimes-again...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/10/us/brooklyn-muslim-women-attac...

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#735

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Has it occurred to you that Indians being good hasn't stopped the police from treating them like the bad kids, to expose one limit of your horrible creaking analogy?

rofl. White men just take asian and indian women and think there isn't an exploitative relationship. Because 'our'(Sikh people are more masculine so we suffer little to no issue). men are too weak to advocate their views. I can have an extensive conversation with you, or even preferably the leadership in this community(Sam Altman, PG,JL). I think i'll gun a clean sweep.

By all means. You can email me if you wish.

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post #710

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What is disgraceful is trying to ensure there is only one acceptable point of view, and preclude people from trying to support other points of view under threat of public boycott, being fired, deemed unemployable, etc. This is ultimately what you fight is for - so that nobody would be able to speak in support candidate you don't like or policy you don't like or idea you don't like because if he does, he will be run o…

This false dichotomy of "Thiel is making a political statement and expressing his beliefs, he shouldn't be punished/bullied/ruined/etc for it, less we start moving down the slope of totalitarianism" is intellectually dishonest. It paints Thiel as this everyman who is simply expressing his rights, while the truth could be no further than this story. Peter Thiel is an influential person. He has created and helped build…

> This false dichotomy of "Thiel is making a political statement and expressing his beliefs, he shouldn't be punished/bullied/ruined/etc for it, less we start moving down the slope of totalitarianism" is intellectually dishonest.

It's not a false dichotomy, for two reasons. First is it's not a dichotomy - you need two things for it, and you have here just one claim - that Thiel should not be ruined for expressing support for Trump. Also, it is not false - it is completely true, he should not, otherwise we are on the way to totalitarian unity of opinion, where dissent is not tolerated.

> Peter Thiel is an influential person.

So is it ok to support people you don't like, but only if you are not influential? Once a person is influential, and their opinions actually does matter, they must agree with you or it is beyond the acceptable normal? It looks like for you only acceptable opposition is a weak and inefficient one. Having strong and influential opposition is something you are not willing to tolerate, but powerless and useless dissent is completely OK. It's a step away from not tolerating any dissent at all, but very small and largely meaningless step.

> When Thiel made this contribution he crossed the line of neutrality, moving from expressing his speech into an action.

Thiel does not owe anybody any obligation to be neutral, and of course he is not. Of course he did it in support of Trump, and it's completely normal. "Speech" does not mean only literally producing acoustical vibration with your mouth, it is a much broader term and has been for centuries. It means a multitude of actions done in support of political point or candidate you prefer, including donating money to the causes you prefer. His expression of his political opinion is not some fault you can tolerate, but only if he hides it well and it doesn't matter. It's a basic right any person of a democratic country is entitled to, and it is a right that millions of persons exercise proudly every day. Thiel is one of them, and there's absolutely nothing exceptional in what he did or is doing.

The only difference is that he is doing it in support of the cause you oppose. That may be unpleasant for you - as is a row of millionaires and billionaires routinely supporting the causes I hate is for me - but it's in no way abnormal or unheard of or beyond what is normally done in US politics.

> but to pretend that it is not an action is incorrect.

Of course it's an action. Nobody ever claimed otherwise, including me. What I said is claiming his action somehow is exceptional is completely false, and trying to get him and everybody he associates with ostracized for the fact he did it betrays intolerance to opposing opinions which can develop into a full blown totalitarian mindset if left unchecked.

> We should definitely criticize those who perform actions we deem harmful,

Criticizing him and demanding his peers to ostracize him is different.

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Actually you're leaving key points out, like most people/media... He wanted to temporarily block immigration from countries with islamic terrorism (syria / libya) until our country found a way to better vet them. American Muslims, or any other Muslims are not an issue. He also wants to protect our southern border with a wall to prevent ILLEGAL immigrants from easy access into our country.

Why is this alleged key point not included in the statement he made? > Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. via https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-...

That press release is from "December 2015". He's clarified this position after the backlash and impracticality of such a plan since then on a number of occasions. He now only apparently plans to block a few muslim-majority countries where terrorism is a problem (such as in Syria as the OP mentioned), instead of all muslims. This came up in the first debate. Although I'm not sure the executive branch even has this power.

This is one of the few things he's actually been somewhat specific about. His approach to legal immigration is still not clear.

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post #566

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>" I've lived in America my whole life, but I was born in Austria, and German is my first language. It pains me to see a fellow German-speaking immigrant support a right-wing populist who appeals pretty explicitly to white identity politics. We of all people should know better. " As opposed to black identity politics? Or female identity politics? Would you feel better if the context was a place like South Africa wher…

I'm, too, not an American but a libertarian. And I don't support either candidate. Tbh. I find it horribly sad how much time and energy people invest in this election where the both possible outcomes are equally bad. "Voting for the lesser evil" is still voting for evil. So why not take all that time wasted on internet arguments about which evil is the lesser one and do something fun instead?

and not voting is also "voting for evil", since a non-vote is effectively a vote for the front-runner. :-)

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Even here. Downvoted for this simple observation. What have we become?

"this simple observation" is indicative of the bubble you're in. There are plenty of places where the reciprocal is true. Politics in the workplace and among friends has always had ramifications. Unfortunately with both candidates being so polarizing, it's worse than usual. Your comment reads slightly like you have a persecution complex.

You're making a lot of assumptions. I'm a Hillary supporter and because I am, I'm in a bubble of them and I see a lot condemnation and shunning of Trump supporters - more than I see of Hillary supporters.

The fact that you assume that I am the one who feels persecuted says a lot.

Hint: the faulty assumptions we make of others strengthen our bubbles.

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#740
post #97

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Because voting behaviors and income levels are highly correlated. Stop right there if you believe that people dislike Trump because they are "smarter". It is a cheap to make you feel good about yourself.

I'm just pointing out demographics, no need to read into it more than what I said.

Please accept my apologies then, this is something that I have often seen followed by a direct attack on his electorate's intelligence and/or how democracy is not working since those poor uneducated masses are given a voice. Same happened after Brexit (and some lunatics arguing that London should become a city-state). So because it matched part of the pattern, I assumed this is where you wanted to take the discussion.

Anyway, have a nice afternoon.

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