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Re: The Apple Watch

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"as far as i'm concerned, anyone who dismisses sapphire crystal on a watch as some kind of useless feature isn't to be taken seriously about watches, smart or otherwise." Compared to gorilla glass, on a watch that lasts 3-5 years? Why? What do you think sapphire buys you? Have you ever done tests (I know for a fact that at least one of the very high end watchmakers didn't)? In any case, high end watches last 30 years…

sapphire's selling point is scratch and crack resistance, i.e. strength. the ability to last 30 years is a byproduct of that strength. you can put unused pyrex on a shelf and it'll last 30 years. but try dropping it on your kitchen floor. every single non-sapphire watch i own has scratches on the glass. i've broken the screen on every single generation of phone to date. however, none of my sapphire automatics have a…

first, "strength" is not a thing. You need to be very specific what you are talking about. Scratch and crack resistance are very different things (one usually measured by taber, and the other by various other methods), and combining them is meaningless.

So is "crack resistance". Do you mean when someone tries to indent it? DO you mean when flexed in some other specific way? Do you specifically mean when dropped?

Materials have very different properties depending on what you are asking.

You can't just combine these very different things into some measure without some actual methodology for doing so.

"you just sound like a person who hasn't worn a watch for very long, or don't have a range of watches to compare against each other. "

I have done both.

"and i disagree with your fundamental point, which is that sapphire has no value on a device that lasts only a few years. of course it does - it's extremely strong material that withstands impact. "

This is just fundamentally false. Sapphire does not withstand impact compared to gorilla glass (or almost any glass). Sapphire is also very well known to be brittle.

But you don't have to take my word for it, it's been tested:

http://www.ubreakifix.com/blog/sapphire-screen-drop-test-the...

Sapphire cracks at 3ft drop, gorilla glass doesn't.

Additionally, my little materials science book on moh's hardness actually says:

"Brittleness basically indicates how resistant the material is to plastic deformation. A very brittle material will, when placed under stress, break/fracture rather than bend. In the case of a sapphire crystal versus a glass crystal, the sapphire is considerably more brittle. As a result, a sapphire crystal is more likely to chip or crack than is glass counterpart if both are subjected to an equally hostile stress (banging, etc.)."

You can find plenty of research on both if you want unbiased sources. I'm a bit lazy to go look it all up for you, but start here for sapphire:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0908.2058.pdf

Short version: Sapphire is brittle. It fractures and chips when dropped or deformed in that manner. Most ion strengthened glasses are less brittle. Relative to sapphire, they tend not to fracture or chip when dropped or deformed in that manner

There are of course, materials that are even better for drops, but worse for abrasion resistance, like polycarbonate.

Additionally, once cracked or seriously scratched, the game changes for both, of course, as it's a matter of crack propagation, etc.

Re: The Apple Watch

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Or its a very optimistic push to try and make a new market area which is fraught with difficulties work well? When you get down to it the fundamental issues of smart watches haven't been fixed. We do not have batteries big enough to give the sort of runtime which would make it acceptable, and people are already burdened from device charging fatigue. Smartwatches have runtimes measured in under-a-day, depending how th…

My Pebble lasts a whole week.

I guess this is like saying my Nokia 3310 lasts a whole week compared to a smart phone.

Re: The Apple Watch

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"Apple Watch is not available yet, so I don't see the point. I rather prefer to buy something within few months than a "prototype" at retail price." Uh, what makes you think it also won't be essentially a prototype, like the iphone's first software basically was (web apps only), etc? "Can I ask you what is the android "wear", the only one I read some good things is the 360 (also announced 3/4 months before selling it…

> As for hardware, I have actually tried literally all of them. That's pretty much the summary of what I wanted to say. If they were quite good you didn't more than one within 6 months. Anyway, tried a little the samsung (a joke) and the lg (another joke since you basically can't see it under the sunlight). Moto 360 (I love Moto!) is quite nice although the os is not meant for a rounded display so many apps can't ...…

"tried a little the samsung (a joke) "

This needs more words as to why you found it "a joke".

I had no trouble reading either the samsung, or the LG, under sunlight.

Re: The Apple Watch

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"Have you ever tried android wear? I read/watched some reviews (even with the 360) and seems to me far to be a completed thing." Yes, quite a lot. Have you? Additionally, apple's device won't even be out for a minimum of 3 months (assuming it came out in january). Which is the not completed thing again? Truthfully, seeing what I saw, Apple's watch is just not a leap forward in any interesting way i can think of over…

Have you stopped working at Google?

Nope.

Re: The Apple Watch

#725

Even though I am an Android developer, I played with the thought of buying the iPhone 6 (the big one) and an Apple Watch, because Swift is kind of a reset for developers and I am very happy with my MacBook. But now that I've seen the keynote, I've got some issues with the watch: First of all, I feel it's too expensive, because those smartwatches are basically obsolete after a year. (at least to me) It would have been…

Apple has a trade in option for iPhones, perhaps this will extend to watches, or perhaps the second hand market will be strong.

If not you can send it to cash4gold.com ;)

Re: The Apple Watch

#726
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The Apple watch looks hot, but will it use a different store than the iOS store? Where is the info on registering apps for it etc?

I expect there will be no stand alone apps, they will be extension to iPhone apps. Therefore you need an iPhone app with a watchKit module in it to use it on the phone.

Re: The Apple Watch

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It's a trainwreck on Mac too. I use my iPod only when I go on holidays, say 3 - 4 times per year. I dread the moment I have to use iTunes to fill my iPod with songs. It causes me nothing but stress, which is exactly the opposite of what Apple is about.

I only use it on the Mac to turn off the "automatic sync" feature on the iPod, and to do a manual backup of my wife's iPad. I must say that the backup interface for the iPad within iTunes is pretty poor. Not the feature - the interface. Mighty confused. I use Floola to shove songs on my iPod. Might be worth a look? (Mine is a 6th-gen classic).

Floola looks perfect, will check this out at home. Thanks!

Re: The Apple Watch

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Yes, you can use Apple Pay with the Apple Watch. Great addition, no more digging in my pocket for my iPhone Plus (if I can actually get it out of my pocket).

This is very usefull for those people that keep our phones in bags rather than pockets.

The more I think about it it more I think this watch isn't aimed at me...

Re: The Apple Watch

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post #635

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> "The strap is infinitely adjustable" - that one made me chuckle, as it was referring to a strap that folds back on itself with a magnetic clasp. I believe Ive refers to the infinite points between the base and the end of the strap and not an infinite length of strap. Ask a mathematician how many points are between 0 and 1. Even my Casio got this right with a velcro strap. I have a Citizen that is either too high or…

Yeah, but we live in the physical world where there are actually finite number of positions that the strap could attach. "Infinite" is just marketing speak here.

No, the "infinitely adjustable" comment refers to the Milanese Loop:

http://www.apple.com/watch/apple-watch/

It is, by definition, infinitely adjustable, since the band is sized continuously and attached magnetically (so that any part of the band works as a sizing point). It does not have discrete holes, like most watch bands.

Re: The Apple Watch

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There was no "early success" for the iPod. It was a failure until the third generation, when it finally got PC support.

Even then, as I recall iTunes was widely bashed? Its UI was obviously Apple UI on Windows, ignoring all Windows UI guidelines.

Wait, Windows had UI guidelines?

(Winamp was very popular on Windows, it had no UI guidelines whatsoever)

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