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Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by fooster »

sph wrote: post #559
brookst wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m getting a lot more done. Hobby projects that languished for years are coming along great, at quality and depth I could never have found time for before.

It's starting to become a cliché to have people reply "I'm getting a lot more done", but without seeing any evidence of this incredible productivity gains, I'm starting to wonder if y'all are suffering from collective hallucination. If the accepted claims are of "100x productivity" (increasing by the day), and LLMs have gotten very good for the past ~year, for sake of argument, where are the 100 year improvements in…

You can accept what you like, but it's true. Our team and our business is incredibly more productive. The number of new valuable customer facing features, and the number of PRs (which represent REAL work, not taking a PR and splitting it into 200 PRs game) have all increased dramatically. We've shipped something like ~10x more PRs so far this year than all last year. And we've done that without increasing the number of bugs and outages.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by altcognito »

inigyou wrote: post #709
altcognito wrote: post #265

Distributing across different services wouldn't be a bad idea.... I still can't help but feel a little grateful for what they do across the free side of things. I know it isn't altruism, and I know nobody needs to defend a billion dollar corporation but... Name another service that does what they do for FREE (and no ads) at this scale. It isn't easy. Wikipedia has probably more usage, but is a simpler endeavor. (exce…

It's been bad because it's crowded out better things. When you put something shit on the market for free you destroy most of the will for customers to pay for a thing, even if it's good, because they can just use the shit free version. This can be an intentional business strategy.

So, I lived through the Internet Explorer age so I'm familiar with that. I think it is a leap to say there are better alternatives dying to get out. There's no objective way to decide they are stifling innovation.

I'm not sure there's some solution for what you're complaining about other than the government coming in and saying they have to split github. What are you advocating for here, or is this just complaining?

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by chrisjj »

ethagnawl wrote: post #386
aesthetics1 wrote: post #189

> Since April, monthly commits have grown from 1.4 billion to 2.9 billion Bonkers. You can tell the entire industry is in a "productivity panic" and here's more proof. There's a velocity zealot crying tears of joy somewhere.

Bonkers is right. Where in those ~12 billion commits is the software, products and "innovations" which are supposed to be making our lives better? Software and apps in particular are getting worse, normies hate AI more than ever because they're even less likely to get their desired outcome when calling their doctor or trying to get their online order refunded when chatting with a cutely named chatbot, wages for (most…

> Where in those ~12 billion commits is the software, products and "innovations" which are supposed to be making our lives better?

Where is anything saying there should be? If they were all private hobby projects, you'd have no grounds for complaint.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by chrisjj »

mrweasel wrote: post #614
aesthetics1 wrote: post #189

> Since April, monthly commits have grown from 1.4 billion to 2.9 billion Bonkers. You can tell the entire industry is in a "productivity panic" and here's more proof. There's a velocity zealot crying tears of joy somewhere.

Crazy how more code haven't really yielded better products. Who would have guess that the number of lines of code wasn't the problem. Except that very basic tools that I use daily, pretty much every piece of software has become worse in the past few years. The closer to the consumer the software sits, the worse the quality is becoming.

> Crazy how more code haven't really yielded better products

Crazy how anyone would think it would.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by kilroy123 »

prennert wrote: post #651

Why does Github not segregate the free offerings from the enterprise or even better, all paid offerings? It is unacceptable that enterprise plans get impacted by traffic on free and public repos. Our repos are neither on the free plan nor are they open. We have not had more AI stuff happening in the last weeks. Our traffic is stable. I would wager that most enterprises did not spike the traffic all of the sudden. Eve…

I agree. I'm just a pro user and not a big enterprise. But I feel I should get a lot more GitHub Actions minutes and stability than free users.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by chrisjj »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #186

Are retries bad? These are the sort of reason they make me generally uncomfortable. I appreciate they might be useful in scenarios where connectivity is inherently problematic (e.g. mobile connectivity), but for a super connected and very desktoppy service I'd rather not retry much, if at all. As it obscures it when stuff has genuinely gone wrong, and this worst case scenario is tragic. I feel like I'm mildly stupid…

> Are retries bad?

For sh*ty providers they are great. Best of all when backsourced to the user by "Try again later."

> As it obscures it when stuff has genuinely gone wrong

Works as designed - at every level.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by yread »

_zoltan_ wrote: post #645
yread wrote: post #512

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Other projects get unmaintained with maintainers burnt out by a torrent of vulberability reports

usual crying from the usual people. AI slop, blahblahb, ... (I don't mean you. just these so called open source developers.)

I'm not sure if it's going to persuade you but here is an example:

https://github.com/uclouvain/openjpeg

Basically the only library for reading jp2k data (complicated specs, ask your AI to one shot an implementation, mine said "it's 3000 lines of fiddly spec, too complicated"). Issues full of buffer-overflows. Recently unmaintained.

Used in tons of projects, now all possibly vulnerable.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by utopiah »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #333
8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #329

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> 5k PRs Wow, is Bun the record holder for number of PRs? I recall GitHub recommends to keep the number of PR to a certain level due things such as GitHub Actions slowing down.

Nixpkgs has 11k open PRs at the moment (a lot of them routine version bumps and such), so no. But then Nixpkgs isn’t a piece of software in the conventional sense: the monorepo does contain a few of those, but most of it is a giant collection of basically-independent build scripts.

that's the interesting part : forges are being abused.

Sure AI workflows might be a non-negligible share of all that usage but still the point is that initially forges existed to help developers collectively share a state then solve problems. Nowadays they are basically online filesystems with better notifications for other software to interact with and only optionally developers actually communicating.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by xeromal »

zingar wrote: post #585
xeromal wrote: post #481

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Same. Helping family out when I generally was too tired to do it earlier. They're all very happy too

I’m curious, what was the application of AI that helped the family?

Most of my family are small business owners, so I've done a handful of Excel automations that they needed that generally take me a while to figure out. Landing pages and a few 3D designed prototypes that I used the Fusion 360 MCP server for
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