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As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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We already know how to compute sunset times accurately and doing so requires one millionth the computer power of LLM inference. It could even be cached for most big cities for every day of the year.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/

The mystery is why Google doesn't just route such requests to the known algorithm. It would be a lot cheaper for them and it wouldn't risk reputational damage.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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I called this maybe 3y ago, but I think so did everyone else that was sane. Sure, we get immense value from AI, but indiscriminately injecting into everything, the one thing we know to be unreliable above the threshold we used to fire people for, is probably the greatest undoing of all the good companies like Google brought to the internet. I mean what a way to destroy your legacy of democratizing information. The am…

Agreed except for the "immense value" part.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Actually it grew out of censorship and monopolies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Anne#Background Cheap access came from the invention of cheap printing . The laws were passed to restrict it.

No, cheap books came from the invention of cheap printing. But the quality of works was going down because printers were just printing with zero copyright protections. Copyright is what brought the wealth of works worth reading that were then printed using cheap printing. If the only money is in private works for private libraries, that is where the quality stuff is going to go. Making the avenue of creating for the…

> Copyright is what brought the wealth of works worth reading that were then printed using cheap printing

Evidence for this statement?

> If the only money is in private works for private libraries, that is where the quality stuff is going to go.

Evidence that this ever happened?

> Making the avenue of creating for the average person also the avenue for the most income was huge in creating our modern literature landscape.

That only leads to higher quality (as you claim) if your definition of higher quality is "what the average person buys".

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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I have a dream, to ban targeted advertising globally. It would solve many problems and possibly, cherry on top, kill some corporations

Stop the purchase and sale of user data, period. Kill the weed at the root.

Who's selling user data? Do you think Facebook is out there selling it? How do I buy it if so?

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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AI will kill the internet because it is killing the incentive to make it. It is an industrial-strength example of why we don’t allow stealing.

> AI will kill the internet because it is killing the incentive to make it. You could make the same argument for Wikipedia (that webs get less traffic if people get their answers from Wikipedia article returned as the first from web search, which is based on internet sources).

But Wikipedia has done a good job of it. If Google's AI summaries could actually provide correct answers with verifiable sources without so-called hallucinations, it would be good. You could argue that people don't actually check Wikipedia's sources. That's because Wikipedia has built, and worked to keep, its users' trust. On the other hand, what is Google doing?

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Not totally convinced about the printing press example (expensive, technical). The biggest presses, with the longest reach (daily newspapers) were often owned by the richest people. What's unique now is decentralized + extreme potential reach. Or it was. Now we have to consider bias in the algorithm that sticks stuff in front of us and is, I suspect, the modern equivalent of those daily newspaper presses.

The early pre-United States had pamphlets and newsletters. Like, a lot of them. It was a big influence on the early post office. You could get rich running a printing press but you did it by printing for the masses. The yellow journalism era, on the other hand, was a little closer to the rich owning the press.

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Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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About 35 years old, more or less. > I also get nostalgic at times about the wonders of youth, experiencing things for the first time Yeah, I guess at one point I'll feel like that too perhaps, but I still feel young, I feel like I have more energy each day than the previous one, and every month is experiencing new things for the first time, and personally I don't want that to stop and experiencing those things throug…

> Do you think you'd feel fulfilled if you didn't have children? As I approached 30 I felt what I now understand as anxiety. Nothing crazy but you wake up one day, you're a year old, you take stock of your life and see what you've accomplished. I chased credentials and new jobs, did well but not yet able to retire. Old relationships grew strained and new ones are hard to form. Etc. I was definitely more afraid of dea…

I felt the same thing at 30 and still sometimes feel it now at 36, although to a lesser extent as I've worked on it.

My wife and I have been together 13 years and we found out fairly early that we can't have children. It's taken a lot of internal work to be ok with it, good days and bad. Ironically the same 'not over-thinking it' strategy is the most helpful for my well-being. Just focus on what I can do today.

Seems like kids really are the quickest path to meaning making, it takes a lot of active effort to try to get a sense of fulfillment without them, at least for me.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

#729
I'm honestly starting to struggle to see how the internets going to look in 2-5 years. If AI is ingesting AI generated content, which it must be at this point given how prevalent it is on the web its going to get dumber and dumber to the point where theres no desire or interest for a single person to use the internet anymore for anything other than ecommerce and i guess for some people who need it still, social media.

Any form of information based internet usage is going to end up becoming rare at this rate.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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That was a temporary blip. Specific technologies facilitated an age of mass, top-down communications in the mid 20th century, just by virtue of how those technologies worked. It enabled a small group of people in charge of the radio/TV stations to have a monopoly on communications and media. The technology both before (printing presses with myriad newspapers) and after (the Internet) were by their nature decentralize…

Not totally convinced about the printing press example (expensive, technical). The biggest presses, with the longest reach (daily newspapers) were often owned by the richest people. What's unique now is decentralized + extreme potential reach. Or it was. Now we have to consider bias in the algorithm that sticks stuff in front of us and is, I suspect, the modern equivalent of those daily newspaper presses.

Rich _people_ yes.

But corporations were an act of Congress in 1776. Early America was decidedly anti-corporate (the Boston Tea Party was about a tax break to a corporation). Early Americans (and early thinkers who influenced Americans) were grossly distrustful of corporations and pools of money.

> The directors with of such [joint-stock] companies, however, being the managers rather of other people's money than of their own, it cannot well be expected, that they should watch over it with the same anxious vigilance with which the partners in a private copartnery frequently watch over their own

Adam Smith, the Wealth of Nations

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