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Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by ErneX »

sublimefire wrote: post #400
ErneX wrote: post #119

It would be nice if Europe had companies innovating at this level but it’s not happening. If you make a list of tentative companies that would integrate their stuff to the OS like Siri it’s very likely all those are major US companies, so I don’t even know at this point what the EU is trying to defend here. All I know is we are buying the same devices designed by the US but keep increasing the list of features we can…

> innovating at this level At what level? Improve Siri which is lagging behind, then add llms?

At the level Apple does, I mean broadly and their peers, there is not an European company at those levels.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by Muromec »

Saline9515 wrote: post #547
Muromec wrote: post #491

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It's a bit complicated to feed more stability into the system, but then this gets hijacked by national governments as an excuse to never take any blame for any shit that follows. Everything good is us, sovereign entities and all that is bad is always the other people in Brussels. Even zo the people in Brussels are mostly deputies of the same people or just themselves, but 26x.

It's not true, the Parliament can't choose the laws it has to vote on. All negotiations are done behind closed doors, in a truly democratic and transparent manner, that allows us to lecture the rest of the world on how to govern.

The parliament can't choose the laws that are submitted, but it can and does change the text of it all the time. I don't think the actual discussions are ever public in any other modern democratic body anyways.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by sublimefire »

ErneX wrote: post #721
sublimefire wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> innovating at this level At what level? Improve Siri which is lagging behind, then add llms?

At the level Apple does, I mean broadly and their peers, there is not an European company at those levels.

Isn’t ASML something like it?

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by fragmede »

mountain_peak wrote: post #564
tonoto wrote: post #508

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It might be that we have a say, but there are a lot of decisions happening in Brussels that it "feels like" we, EU voters, don't have a say in. Such as: - Chat Control - Vehicle regulations (mandates on "eCall", disturbing audio visuals and other "safety measuers) in Regulation (EU) 2018/858 - Eventual upcoming ethanol restrictions - Ban on plastic drinking straws - Drink caps that are stuck to the bottles - Ban on p…

Maybe this is just a fantasy, but drink producers were previously responsible for their "waste". Bottlers would pick-up and recycle glass bottles, but the onus shifted completely to the consumer - first with a glass bottle deposit, then with the advent of disposable plastic containers. Glass bottles largely didn't require a straw, unlike the latest frappuccino, which generally comes with a plastic container, lid, and…

The only solution? Not "carry a metal reusable straw around with you"?

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by tremon »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #583
customguy wrote: post #559

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https://block81.com/blog/why-most-websites-dont-actually-nee... That's been true from day one. So the question is, did you come up with the FUD yourself, or did you believe someone else?

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The FUD is claiming that those banners are mandated by the EU, rather than malicious compliance from the industry.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by stouset »

Rohansi wrote: post #716
stouset wrote: post #709

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This argument would be a lot more compelling if there was literally any company out there with an interest in doing this sort of thing that had even remotely comparable a track record to Apple. OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Meta, Perplexity, and everyone else in this space are openly brazen about how much of your information they want to consume—however possible—to store in perpetuity and use for whatever future purpose…

In this space, sure. AI only exists and is improving because of extensive data collection. That's why Apple licensed models from Google. Anyone can go and download and run open-weight models, and many allow commercial use. If Apple opened it up I'm sure you would see new options which respect user privacy pop up. Just look at Apple's stance on third-party web browsers to see what I'm talking about. There are browsers…

Now the issue becomes opening the door only to the few entities that can be trusted. It is much easier and cheaper, and carries considerably less risk to simply not.

This is one of those situations where multiple overlapping incentives all point the same way. In this case, Apple’s incentives align with those of user privacy and security, and so I am willing to give them a lot of leeway. Particularly since they seem to be the only large player taking this approach.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by machiavellian »

Art9681 wrote: post #619
speedgoose wrote: post #257

I find it interesting that Apple prefers to fall behind in Europe rather than opening their platform a tiny bit. It gives us European some opportunities. I have a side project at work that was heavily threatened by Siri’s new features. Now I feel more relaxed as Siri isn’t coming there anytime soon. But overall I doubt we will replace Apple.

Europe is irrelevant in world affairs. It's an uncomfortable truth. They are not a powerful actor. I'm not saying this proudly. EU is idealistic. A political religion. They don't play realpolitik. Which is why the EU has no power. None. You can disagree. But you cannot ignore the truth. You don't have to like the nations that have real power. I don't either. But the biggest mistake we can make is turning our backs on…

Is there a way to downvote this comment? If Europe is so irrelevant in world affairs, then why is there a bustling discussion on this issue about who is in the right or wrong here? This is comment lacks good faith to argue against EU's regulatory power if this OP was going for

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by yencabulator »

> Apple executives [...] said that virtual AI assistants would have unprecedented access to a wide swath of personal data on a user's device, including virtually all of their communications.

Is this supposed to be a good thing when Apple does it? That sounds utterly undesirable.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by Rohansi »

stouset wrote: post #726
Rohansi wrote: post #716

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In this space, sure. AI only exists and is improving because of extensive data collection. That's why Apple licensed models from Google. Anyone can go and download and run open-weight models, and many allow commercial use. If Apple opened it up I'm sure you would see new options which respect user privacy pop up. Just look at Apple's stance on third-party web browsers to see what I'm talking about. There are browsers…

Now the issue becomes opening the door only to the few entities that can be trusted. It is much easier and cheaper, and carries considerably less risk to simply not. This is one of those situations where multiple overlapping incentives all point the same way. In this case, Apple’s incentives align with those of user privacy and security, and so I am willing to give them a lot of leeway. Particularly since they seem t…

> It is much easier and cheaper, and carries considerably less risk to simply not.

Which benefits Apple because it gets rid of competition on their platforms.

> Apple’s incentives align with those of user privacy and security, and so I am willing to give them a lot of leeway

At the cost of your freedom. Sure, it's not that bad now, but I'd be worried about the future of macOS because it's the least restrictive Apple platform right now.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by bratwurst3000 »

tonoto wrote: post #710
mountain_peak wrote: post #564

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Maybe this is just a fantasy, but drink producers were previously responsible for their "waste". Bottlers would pick-up and recycle glass bottles, but the onus shifted completely to the consumer - first with a glass bottle deposit, then with the advent of disposable plastic containers. Glass bottles largely didn't require a straw, unlike the latest frappuccino, which generally comes with a plastic container, lid, and…

I don't even know whom they try to fool (apparently, they are succeeding in many ways...), but as you mention.. they (the politicians and institutions) complain about nanoplastics, and at the same time moves towards a plastic world. It is hypocrisy of many degrees. Milk containers used to be only paper, but now they are both paper and plastic for some reason. It's hard to find drinking bottles that are glass as they…

the idea was to have less of those things people buy and consum on the way and throw them away and the wind puts them put of the trash and now shitload of plastic everywhere .... i switch between clean beaches in europe to cigarrete and plastic straw infested ones on other parts of the world. As a european i like thos clean beaches etc
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