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LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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That sounds more like a problem of close minded narrow focus on economic output instead of culture, virtue and spiritual traditions. AI is fundamentally an equivalent to slave economy . Cheap, plentiful workforce. This time ethically neutral. You either get Greece or Rome. I’d prefer Greece but it will probably be Rome. From the past we can predict the future.

> That sounds more like a problem of close minded narrow focus on economic output instead of culture, virtue and spiritual traditions. I’m starting to be more sensitive to the argument that without god, people are unable to have a strong moral foundation. Not for the people expressing creativity in how they fuck, but as a check on those in power.

Morality is a social construct.

We created it for ourselves and at its core is our social nature and the ability to feel Empathy for other humans/creatures.

Now I lead with that because there are historical cases for both religious and non religious people committing horrific acts, both groups having whatever form of "morals" and still those acts happened.

Morals based on the idea of an all seeing eye are also questionable at the root, if you only do the "right" thing because you fear consequences then how is that better than the government, police etc acting as a your personal moral compass except to extend the potential punishment beyond the current perceived lifetime.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#722

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If you really think those layoffs are due to AI, then you haven't worked in corporations long enough. If companies are not hiring, and are firing, then what do we need middle managers for? In fact, if an engineer is really smart and masters the tools, what do you need POs, managers, executives, and even sales for? If you stretch things to the max, those who master the tools are positioned to automate everyone aside f…

You're thinking of this as a game of merit instead of a game of power accumulation that it actually is. Middle managers, like junk DNA, don't have to actually accomplish anything as long as they can propagate themselves.

But they need headcount under them to justify their position...

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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I sympathise with the author being in the same boat, largely. I just want to emphasise a point... Calculators give 100% correct answers and yet we still hire accountants; for the simple fact that we don't want all to be accountants. People will hire software engineers for the simple fact that they do not want to be software engineers.

People don't make their own bread. They buy it from an expert. But bread shops are available on every corner. Will software jobs become as common as bread shops? If yes, what happens to the salaries? Something to think about.

You gotta become the owner of a bakery chain.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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I was pretty worried until my company started letting designers and PMs contribute code. They can barely get Codex to do anything. The few who are actually contributing meaningful changes have a SWE background, and they are still doing a pretty bad job at it overall

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#725

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That is limited thinking. People are replacing their bosses, and your boss will be bossing what exactly? Right now LLMs cant' replace the entire spectrum of human intelligence. But if your entire work is just translating your boss ask to for-loops & if-statements, the I guess yes, I would be worried.

Oh, my boss laid me off for an AI slop machine. How do I replace my boss?

Build something? If the AI is that good then us it..and if it ain't that good then your boss did a mistake?

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#726
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> I don't know what to do. Ride the wave. You rode it when websites/webapps were the wave. I came into software industry before internet, kept changing my horse. You are never too old to learn new tricks. The new wave create new kind of work and workers. Be one of them. Ride the beast, master the tools. It's the same game again.

Seconded.

If there is any skill in consistent demand it is the ability to wrap your head around the new work, new processes, new people, whatever it all may be.

For me, understanding and development of this skill into a keen tool happened while I worked as a prototype mechamic. For those unfamiliar, a prototype mechanic does what it takes to make often demanding parts on consistently short timelines week after week.

Metals, plastics, you name it.

One gets good at ramping up on processes, machine tools, materials. And after doing that for a while, you end up able to very rapidly absorb new info and understand work far more quickly and accurately than many.

Anyone can start this.

Just get curious and build things. Then build more things.

Share your builds and build things other people want made!

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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post #712

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Why would it stop with just developer layoffs? When software companies rely on LLM providers to run their business, I’d argue we‘ll see a massive bust of these companies around the world - from on-prem products to SaaS. Customers may build the software they need entirely in-house or via prompt-engineer consultants, without the need to buy software tools like today. It could be a very very different world.

> Customers may build the software they need entirely in-house or via prompt-engineer consultants, without the need to buy software tools like today. It could be a very very different world. Already happening. I know of a few places that have gotten such large gains from LLMs that they know have their engineers working on creating homegrown ports of popular services (Docker etc.).

It seems to me that Docker should be far, far down the list on services to recreate in-house with AI.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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> I don't know what to do. Ride the wave. You rode it when websites/webapps were the wave. I came into software industry before internet, kept changing my horse. You are never too old to learn new tricks. The new wave create new kind of work and workers. Be one of them. Ride the beast, master the tools. It's the same game again.

Seconded. If there is any skill in consistent demand it is the ability to wrap your head around the new work, new processes, new people, whatever it all may be. For me, understanding and development of this skill into a keen tool happened while I worked as a prototype mechamic. For those unfamiliar, a prototype mechanic does what it takes to make often demanding parts on consistently short timelines week after week.…

Question: How do you find work? Reputation? (That is, people know you by now?)

If so, how did you get to that point? How did you publicize that you can do this?

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#729
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The dynamic of agent codes human reviews does seem like the only sane one for the foreseeable future. Even Anthropic themselves still fall back to this. The problem is that sucks, even if all software engineers keep their jobs and salaries, the floor is still pulled out from under us. Imagine if a surgeons job was to supervise robot surgeons from a remote computer, or a woodworker just signs off on work before the ma…

"Soul and humanity" is doing a lot of work here. Does the woodworker who shape using a handsaw use less "soul" than the one who uses a machine? Does the musician who use a DAW and VSTs instead of analogue tape recorders create music with less "soul"? Does the painter who buys acryllic paint instead of synthesizing their own dye from plants use less "soul"? As technological innovation progresses, the barrier to creati…

> Does the musician who use a DAW and VSTs instead of analogue tape recorders create music with less "soul"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqNWNLKpZg

I'm critical of many "AI" developments but I can't and don't want to argue with this. I say we still need to struggle for humanity and we do need to save our souls, but that "it's a machine" is not where the battlefield is.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#730
post #711

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What is your theory of when AI gets to 100%. PMs and business analysts build all the software? Or just like a 700 or so 1-founder companies in the world and everyone else is without work? The matrix?

> Or just like a 700 or so 1-founder companies in the world and everyone else is without work? This. But instead of 700 it's more likely that everyone will be a founder (more or less). It's already scary how easy it is to launch an MVP or produce prototypes with the latest models.

Until an LLM becomes better at coming up with products people want and running a company. Then we'll cut out the founders and have LLM run companies.
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