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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Oh my god, yet _another_ "developer-focused" laptop with full-sized left/right arrow keys, which are an absolutely miserable experience to actually use. How is it that Apple is the only company these days( ) that consistently gets this right? ( Yes, I know they used full-sized keys for a while, I moaned and cursed them at the time as well.)

A developer-focused laptop shouldn't even need arrow keys.

It's weird what people prioritize.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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My screenshots directory says you are wrong: https://i.ibb.co/cKjL8qcG/Screenshot-2025-02-18-at-09-07-06.... My last (and first, and only) iPhone was even worse. At one point the Settings app had no fewer than three paid-service nags at the top that I had to scroll through to even get to the first actual setting. Storage almost full: enable iCloud Backup! Try Apple Music, first month free!! Activate your Apple News+…

Image Playground isn’t a service, it’s a free local image generation model. But I’ll grant you that the News+ thing is kind of annoying. I wouldn’t call it a nag, though - it shows in the Settings anpp after you buy a new device that includes free months, while they’re still valid, then it goes away forever.

> while they’re still valid, then it goes away forever.

It actually stays, even after expired. Then if you tap the "two weeks free!" it says "expired, so sorry, but do want to pay us a slightly discounted rate instead of free?"

Then the alert went away.

Super scummy.

Source: happened a few months ago with the promo on my newish iphone 17 when I thought I'd try appletv out to watch pluribus.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Haptic trackpads are the secret sauce that make MacBooks so pleasant to use. You probably want one.

It's a matter of preferences. Actually I like trackpads that don't mind and have physical buttons. The separation between the surface that moves the pointer on screen and the surfaces that generate the clicks means that there are no misclicks and no involuntary pointer movements while clicking.

Spoken like someone who has never used a haptic trackpad.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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I am much more likely to fault them for omitting important information specifically to hide a weak point of the product rather than out of laziness.

It's not a weak point of their product; it's a weak point of Linux .

It's really not. Leaving aside Android because that has a very different userspace, Chromebooks have excellent battery life even when not running ChromeOS, because they have proper drivers and someone actually bothered optimizing for power efficiency. And there are plenty of cases of people switching a machine from Windows to some Linux distro and significantly improving battery life (see elsewhere in this comment section). So no, if a given laptop is described as the vendor as "Linux first" and has poor battery life, that's on them.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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You’re imagining a “greatest aspiration” that doesn’t exist. macOS has an iCloud login button in the Settings app and that’s about it.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Music-dot-app is a great example. Check out all the ways it tries to upsell you even if you just want to play local files: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anrB6fP1WeQ&t=65s - opens to a full-page Apple Music subscription service ad on first run. - search functionality defaults to “Apple Music” instead of “Local Library” (or “iTunes Store”) even when the user has no active subscription. - Appl…

Don't use the Music app. It's fully uninstallable, I don't think I've ever launched it. There are plenty of third party solutions available. I really don't consider Music.app to be a core OS feature.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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It doesn't come with any RAM? You have to add $140 for 8GB or "bring your own"...so the list price does not represent a working computer?

Select "Pre-built" instead of "DIY Edition" if you want everything installed. The DIY edition has been very popular historically and lets you bargain hunt for storage & RAM in the current stupid pricing situation.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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This is awesome. I like my 2 year old framework and this new RAM looks really interesting, I need to learn more. However, the 358H processor + 64GB RAM + 1TB NVMe is $2700. Wow. Even if I sold my current AMD 7840U with 64GB of RAM it would still be quite an investment. The biggest question I have, which is probably easily searchable: How well will this run local LLMs? Seems the RAM is fast enough.

The Intel chipset and LPCAMM2 are limited to 128 bit RAM bus so about half the speed of a Strix Halo (e.g. https://frame.work/desktop).

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Sorry, but you're wrong. Music-dot-app is a great example. Check out all the ways it tries to upsell you even if you just want to play local files: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anrB6fP1WeQ&t=65s - opens to a full-page Apple Music subscription service ad on first run. - search functionality defaults to “Apple Music” instead of “Local Library” (or “iTunes Store”) even when the user has no active subscription. - Appl…

Don't use the Music app. It's fully uninstallable, I don't think I've ever launched it. There are plenty of third party solutions available. I really don't consider Music.app to be a core OS feature.

Yeah no shit. I use Feishin personally: https://github.com/jeffvli/feishin

But I think it is very fair to judge the OOTB experience as a whole as a reflection of the company's priorities.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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IMHO you should just stay with a Mac. The Framework Pro is the antithesis of a Mac, you can literally take your old framework's mainboard and network card and put them into the new chassis. Everything is replaceable. As long as they continue with that trend, it'll always be thicker and heavier than a Mac, and will always make compromises. The video says that directly. They want to compete with MacBook, but people com…

I'm not sure I understand your pitch. Most of those are features, not bugs. Why would I give up all of that plus first-class Linux support just to save checks notes 0.35mm in thickness?

"Upgradability and repairability are really nice features, but the machine still needs to otherwise be an upgrade over the one it's replacing."

You seemed like upgradability and repairability are secondary things to you, whereas the framework makes them its primary asset. It's unlikely the Framework Pro will ever be an "upgrade" over the MacBook in other areas. Comparing it to the MacBook completely skims over its most important differentiator.

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Sorry, but you're wrong. Music-dot-app is a great example. Check out all the ways it tries to upsell you even if you just want to play local files: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anrB6fP1WeQ&t=65s - opens to a full-page Apple Music subscription service ad on first run. - search functionality defaults to “Apple Music” instead of “Local Library” (or “iTunes Store”) even when the user has no active subscription. - Appl…

you are arguing with people who do actually use Macs by providing some random videos on youtube. How does that make sense?

> people who do actually use Macs

— Sent from my (work) MacBook Pro M3

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