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4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

dTal wrote: post #708
philipallstar wrote: post #694

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's neither here nor there. Just get the best people. Or are you against the current racial makeup of the earnings of the top NBA players?

In case it wasn't clear, my comment was sarcastic. To be absolutely clear, I don't agree with racial discrimination. So that we don't talk past each other, here is a summary of my perspective of the discussion so far: NoMoreNicksLeft dropped an unhinged rant about "England for the English", including a clearly sarcastic and mocking reference to "They have strength in their diversity". joe_mamba chimed in with "divers…

> witnessing open racial segregationism on HN

You are misinterpreting something. "Diversity" is not exclusively about race.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by fredsted »

We simply can't have an Internet where you'll need to comply with 100% of legalisation of all 193+ countries at all times; it's untenable.

For ofcom, 4chan is just a sticking their toes in the pool. If they fall, ofcom will have complete freedom to censor the entire Internet as they wish. It's madness.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by imtringued »

erentz wrote: post #558
greycol wrote: post #215

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Of course, because they're not proposing "apply our laws in our country" they are proposing "apply our laws in another country". If you want to enforce this law you need to do it the CCP way (punish your ISPs for alllowing it into the country and monitor your citizens for accessing it) because you don't have the jurisdiction to enforce it otherwise. Let's not forget how many UK criminals have made fun of Kim Jong Un'…

Why should it be done that way? If a country has media or broadcast standards laws, and you distribute or broadcast content in that country that violates those laws, that’s on you. The country can just fine you if you chose not to comply. Just the same as they would if you were doing it while living in that country. You’re not obliged to care about the fine if you don’t live there and never intend to travel there. Bu…

This is nonsense.

The hardware that propagates the data transmission is owned partly by the UK and partly by Canada. The Canadian website operator has turned off the transmission to the UK on their side and has fulfilled their obligations. The UK is complaining that they didn't turn off transmission on their side.

What you're saying is that the website operator should travel to the UK to enforce UK law from Canada. It's nonsensical.

Edit: If this wasn't clear enough here is a cartoonish version:

Ofcom: Your site violates UK law. By allowing UK citizens access, you must abide by UK law.

Website operator: I do not care about serving UK citizens and am now blocking UK IP addresses. Thank you for notifying us.

Ofcom: We have decided that we will not block access to your website from the UK. Therefore it is theoretically possible to access your website anyway, which is a violation of UK law. No matter how much effort you spend on ensuring that UK citizens do not gain access to your website, we will make sure that there will always be a non zero possibility of violating UK law. Since we are not blocking anything, the blame cannot lie in UK users circumventing a UK side block, which would force us to prosecute UK citizens rather than you as the website operator.

Please shut your website down to ensure compliance.

Website Operator: Okay so you're telling me I have to build the great firewall in the UK, make all ISPs adopt it and lobby a change in UK law to make the firewall mandatory, just so I can host my website?

Ofcom: yes

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Post by simianparrot »

john_strinlai wrote: post #85
gadders wrote: post #82

If it wasn't for 4Chan, we might never have solved the Haruhi problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpermutation#Lower_bounds,... I used to go on a curated version of 4Chan via Telegram. Yes there is a lot of racism (although it flies in every direction, between every ethnicity you could imagine) but there is also (due to the anonymous nature) some genuinely interesting discussions. I remember one thread about ai…

there is a great clickhole headline that your comment reminds me of "Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Great Point" 4chan has produced some hilarious/interesting stuff, and they have also driven people to suicide. i suppose it is up to everyone individually to make the value judgement there.

Societies drive people to suicide in general. Families also do. I don't think the solution is to make the world a padded room.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

Hikikomori wrote: post #687
21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #650

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Iran would be attacked even with nukes. If you promise relentless war- and nuclear attacks via proxxies - you basically show that game-theory does not apply to you. Religion explicitly states that MAD does not apply to them too. And they life by that. So Iran with nukes, would be nuked 1 day after. No matter the cost. Its similar to the a medieval pope having nukes, and everyone else being heretic witches. You just p…

This US regime isn't any different than the ayatollah, they also want christian sharia laws and to oppress women.

I wish you had traveled the world and would have seen whats really on the ground, instead of staying in your bubble and earlying out with a "everyone is just like me".

The us is the most harmless empire that ever was. The most extreme case in the us evangelical bullshit is a daily buisness case.

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by dash2 »

EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #184

Ofcom is currently threatening a Canadian forum that exists to help people with depression. Ofcom claims that geoblocking blocking the UK is "insufficient": > I've also gone back to Ofcom explicitly telling them the UK was now geoblocked (twice now) and I received a response that this was insufficient. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1rk690v/i_ru... Ofcom really thinks that their laws apply gl…

"help people with depression" is not quite a full description of that website, is it? I thought it had advice on how to kill yourself.

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Post by dTal »

philipallstar wrote: post #695
dTal wrote: post #680

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It used to be widely known that tech nerds are socially impaired. Then they built the future and earned a lot of money and status, and now Silicon Valley is a hotbed of neofascist thought. Turns out that if you give enough power to people who wrangle machines, they start thinking about wrangling people the same way. Nerds are extremely dangerous. Through their work they quickly absorb the axiom of "predictability is…

This was already happening, it's just they were on your team and you were happy. One of the most obvious things to have happen is the overriding power of the left in tech and all the right (and centre-left) people warning that when the pendulum swings all the left-wing people who love giving authority more power will regret it. As though all authoritarian left wing countries in history were not evidence enough, they…

Firstly, I don't appreciate, at all, being told what "team" I'm on, or the smug tone that I'm now "learning a lesson". When you come on HN, leave that sort of thing at the door, please. I'm being polite but I'd like you to imagine this worded in the strongest possible way that is acceptable for whatever culture you happen to be from. Include swear words if it helps.

I don't know of any "big tech" going out of its way to enforce left wing values. Bandwagoning on large scale social movements, sure, in a "play it safe" kind of way, the same way literally every company gets all rainbow-y during Pride month - it's profitable, or they wouldn't do it. If you resented that, what you resented was having a minority opinion.

The relatively recent shift towards right wing values is also rooted in self interest. It doesn't indicate some kind of change of heart, it simply signals recognition of a power shift - the opinions of people / users / customers now matter less than the opinions of certain authoritarian right wing governments.

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Post by PeterisP »

philipallstar wrote: post #658
solid_fuel wrote: post #630

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Good news/bad news, our current leaders are far too incompetent to successfully plan and execute a regime change operation. Bad news is they're stupid enough to try anyway and have a lot of weapons.

They don't need to change a regime. Just cut off a major ally of China and Russia.

The Iran war was one of the biggest economic boons Russia could hope for; the disruption of oil and gas exports from Middle East with the associated spike in global prices brought Russian economy back from the dead, as now their exports are so much more valuable.

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Post by dash2 »

troad wrote: post #396
epolanski wrote: post #392

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> What were these 'several countries'? Iran? Cuba? North Korea? It doesn't matter which those were, we were obliged to respect laws of the European country we were incorporated, not US ones.

You're serving US customers. You are doing business in the US, and therefore you are subject to US law. What about when a customer requests a refund, do you just pretend US consumer protection laws don't apply to that customer? Or to turn your logic around, can American corporations do business in Europe while just completely ignoring the GDPR and all other European laws? Laws are not a buffet. You choose to do busin…

> Laws are not a buffet. You choose to do business in a market, you've opted to be regulated in that market.

I mean I find this quite plausible, but you should tell the guys in the thread above, who are all posting "ha, the UK thinks it can tell a non-UK website what to do, how absurd!" and metaphorically pouring their tea out in Boston Harbour.

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