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Post by xphos »

wavemode wrote: post #710
Boxxed wrote: post #603

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> But it looks like they would have spared Anthropic if they capitulated to the regime's demands and bent their back over. Yeah dude, that's the point.

That's the opposite of corporatism. Corporatism would be if the corporations made demands of the government, and the government bent over backwards. The US government has lots of corporatism, but this isn't an example of that.

There are always winners and losers in political discussions not every corporation could have control over decision making. But that doesn't mean companies aren't playing a major rool in decisions. I'd imagine companies owned by Larry Ellison (fox and soon cnn) have a much larger role in decision making and agenda setting that most people are comfortable with.

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

cityofdelusion wrote: post #693
krapp wrote: post #667

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It's just weird that whenever a shooting happens anywhere else in the world, or they pass some draconian surveillance law, Americans criticize that country for not having a Second Amendment and rising up in violence against their government. And that whenever a mass shooting happens in the US, Americans reassure themselves that gun violence is a price worth paying for the Second Amendment. And there is a run on pawn…

This is just a (bad) caricature of Americans, it’s not even very accurate of rural Americana or even Deep South rural. Most Americans just wake up, go to work, feed the kids, go to bed until they die, like most any other “first world” nation.

That's true but when specifically talking about gun ban laws they said it shouldn't be done because of being able to oppose a tyrannical government

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Post by marcd35 »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #723

What is this supposed to do? OpenAI is already cozied up and in bed with Dept of War, they're already busy making lots of little surveillance babies.

about as much as all the people who signed the petition to stop/slow the rate of ai advancement - nothing other than pointing to it in the future when all has gone to shit and say, "told you so"

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

herdcall wrote: post #718

Yeah, I guess OpenAI is so upset with the Department of War that they signed a deal with it! Hypocrisy all around. https://x.com/grok/status/2027769947913425390?s=20

>AI safety and wide distribution of benefits are the core of our mission. Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agreement.

So they're saying anthropic is lying or what? Because Sam Altman is saying that DOW agrees with no mass surveillance and no autonomous drone killing. Also if not, how safety is their priority?

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Post by naasking »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #326
doodlebugging wrote: post #241

The best way for AI companies to fight this would be to remind those who request this capability that the AI knows exactly where they live, where they hang out, and that any one of them can also be targeted by a rogue AI system with no human in the loop. Capabilities that they are requesting could jeopardize them, their personal assets, and their families if something goes haywire or, in the much more common case, wh…

Instead of Epsteins blackmailing disgustful human nature, it'll be rogue AIs sending selective blackmail, 24/7, to the spiteful among us (e.g. to motivate targeted killings, either by human or machine). >All of this should remain a bridge too far, forever. Hopefully Singularity will be graceful, killing-off everybody simultaneously #PaperclipMaximizer #HimFirst

> Instead of Epsteins blackmailing disgustful human nature

There is no evidence that Epstein blackmailed anyone. The stories around this are wildly exaggerated.

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

bloqs wrote: post #706
thunky wrote: post #690

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Ok so now connect the mass surveillance system to an automated killing system that can blow you up in the grocery store because you're standing in line next to its target.

Yes but you would be dead before it can affect your quality of life so its unimpactful. The former can very much impact your life

The fear itself of that happening is impactful, and they know that and will use it

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Post by gruez »

rayiner wrote: post #719
heresie-dabord wrote: post #648

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> much broader implications Setting aside the spectacular metastasis of a lawless kakistocracy that is literally rewriting the facts on record... Anthropic's leadership has wisely attempted to make it clear that its product is not fit for the US DoD's purpose/objective, which is automated killing at scale. It would be (is) grossly, historically negligent to operate weapons with LLMs. Anthropic built systems for a thu…

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>That’s not their call to make. Inventors of technologies that could be used for war have never had the right to deny access to those technologies to the elected civilian government.[1]

>[1] The government can make you go over to southeast Asia and kill people personally.

Is this a normative statement? In other words are you simply claiming "the government has men with guns and therefore can force people/companies do whatever they want", or are you claiming that "the government should be able to commandeer civilian resources for whatever it wants"?

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gruez wrote: post #729
rayiner wrote: post #719

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>That’s not their call to make. Inventors of technologies that could be used for war have never had the right to deny access to those technologies to the elected civilian government.[1] >[1] The government can make you go over to southeast Asia and kill people personally. Is this a normative statement? In other words are you simply claiming "the government has men with guns and therefore can force people/companies do…

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