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Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by Razengan »

Razengan wrote: post #186
andsoitis wrote: post #77

I’m voting with my dollars by having cancelled my ChatGPT subscription and instead subscribing to Claude. Google needs stiff competition and OpenAI isn’t the camp I’m willing to trust. Neither is Grok. I’m glad Anthropic’s work is at the forefront and they appear, at least in my estimation, to have the strongest ethics.

uhh..why? I subbed just 1 month to Claude, and then never used it again. • Can't pay with iOS In-App-Purchases • Can't Sign in with Apple on website (can on iOS but only Sign in with Google is supported on web??) • Can't remove payment info from account • Can't get support from a human • Copy-pasting text from Notes etc gets mangled • Almost months and no fixes Codex and its Mac app are a much better UX, and seem bet…

Almost *7 months

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by MarsIronPI »

yogurt0640 wrote: post #390
gallerdude wrote: post #55

I always grew up hearing “competition is good for the consumer.” But I never really internalized how good fierce battles for market share are. The amount of competition in a space is directly proportional to how good the results are for consumers.

I grew up with every service enshitified in the end. Whoever has more money wins the race and gets richer, that's free market for ya.

At a certain point though we can't only blame the free market or the companies. Consumers should know better than to choose products that are anti-consumer. The fact that they don't know better and don't care is the bigger problem. Until we figure out what to do about that any solution is going to be dangerously paternalistic.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by blibble »

bandrami wrote: post #718
nl wrote: post #686

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Last I checked, the tractor and plow are doing a lot more work than 3 farmers, yet we've got more jobs and grow more food. Not sure when you checked. In the US more food is grown for sure. For example just since 2007 it has grown from $342B to $417B, adjusted for inflation[1]. But employment has shrunk massively, from 14M in 1910 to around 3M now[2] - and 1910 was well after the introduction of tractors (plows not…

That's his point. Drastically reducing agricultural employment didn't keep us from getting fed (and led to a significantly richer population overall -- there's a reason people left the villages for the industrial cities)

there's no reason to believe this trend will continue forever, simply because it has held for the past hundred years or so

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by xhrpost »

dakolli wrote: post #486
zmmmmm wrote: post #400

I see a big focus on computer use - you can tell they think there is a lot of value there and in truth it may be as big as coding if they convincingly pull it off. However I am still mystified by the safety aspect. They say the model has greatly improved resistance. But their own safety evaluation says 8% of the time their automated adversarial system was able to one-shot a successful injection takeover even with saf…

Their goal is to monopolize labor for anything that has to do with i/o on a computer, which is way more than SWE. Its simple, this technology literally cannot create new jobs it simply can cause one engineer (or any worker whos job has to do with computer i/o) to do the work of 3, therefore allowing you to replace workers (and overwork the ones you keep). Companies don't need "more work" half the "features"/"products…

There's an older article that gets reposted to HN occasionally, titled something like "I hate almost all software". I'm probably more cynical than the average tech user and I relate strongly to the sentiment. So so much software is inexcusably bad from a UX perspective. So I have to ask, if code will really become this dirt cheap unlimited commodity, will we actually have good software?

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

josephg wrote: post #709
vardalab wrote: post #638

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We said the same thing when 3D printing came out. Any sort of cool tech, we think everybody’s going to do it. Most people are not capable of doing it. in college everybody was going to be an engineer and then they drop out after the first intro to physics or calculus class. A bunch of my non tech friends were vibe coding some tools with replit and lovable and I looked at their stuff and yeah it was neat but it wasn't…

I don't think claude code is like 3d printing. The difference is that 3D printing still requires someone, somewhere to do the mechanical design work. It democratises printing but it doesn't democratise invention . I can't use words to ask a 3d printer to make something. You can't really do that with claude code yet either. But every few months it gets better at this. The question is: How good will claude get at turni…

> I can't use words to ask a 3d printer to make something.

You can: the words are in the G-code language.

I mean: you are used to learn foreign languages in school, so you are already used to formulate your request in a different language to make yourself understood. In this case, this language is G-code.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by energy123 »

zmmmmm wrote: post #400

I see a big focus on computer use - you can tell they think there is a lot of value there and in truth it may be as big as coding if they convincingly pull it off. However I am still mystified by the safety aspect. They say the model has greatly improved resistance. But their own safety evaluation says 8% of the time their automated adversarial system was able to one-shot a successful injection takeover even with saf…

Run in a cloud sandbox like OpenAI's operator research preview?

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by dgacmu »

dakolli wrote: post #538
hughw wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Retail water[1] costs $881/bbl which is 13x the price of Brent crude. [1] https://www.walmart.com/ip/Aquafina-Purified-Drinking-Water-...

What a good faith reply. If you sincerely believe this, that's a good insight into how dumb the masses are. Although I would expect a higher quality of reply on HN. You found the most expensive 8pck of water on Walmart. Anyone can put a listing on Walmart, its the same model as Amazon. There's also a listing right below for bottles twice the size, and a 32 pack for a dollar less. It cost $0.001 per gallon out of your…

Just for completeness, it's about $0.023/gal in Pittsburgh (1)-- still perfectly affordable but 23x more than 0.001. but still 50x less than Brent crude.

(1) Combined water+ sewer fees. Sewer charges are based on your water consumption so it rolls into the per-gallon effective price. https://www.pgh2o.com/residential-commercial-customers/rates

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by prpl »

josephg wrote: post #709
vardalab wrote: post #638

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We said the same thing when 3D printing came out. Any sort of cool tech, we think everybody’s going to do it. Most people are not capable of doing it. in college everybody was going to be an engineer and then they drop out after the first intro to physics or calculus class. A bunch of my non tech friends were vibe coding some tools with replit and lovable and I looked at their stuff and yeah it was neat but it wasn't…

I don't think claude code is like 3d printing. The difference is that 3D printing still requires someone, somewhere to do the mechanical design work. It democratises printing but it doesn't democratise invention . I can't use words to ask a 3d printer to make something. You can't really do that with claude code yet either. But every few months it gets better at this. The question is: How good will claude get at turni…

There is verification and validation.

The first part is making sure you built to your specification, the second thing is making sure you built specification was correct.

The second part is going to be the hard part for complex software and systems.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by ethbr1 »

xhrpost wrote: post #725
dakolli wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their goal is to monopolize labor for anything that has to do with i/o on a computer, which is way more than SWE. Its simple, this technology literally cannot create new jobs it simply can cause one engineer (or any worker whos job has to do with computer i/o) to do the work of 3, therefore allowing you to replace workers (and overwork the ones you keep). Companies don't need "more work" half the "features"/"products…

There's an older article that gets reposted to HN occasionally, titled something like "I hate almost all software". I'm probably more cynical than the average tech user and I relate strongly to the sentiment. So so much software is inexcusably bad from a UX perspective. So I have to ask, if code will really become this dirt cheap unlimited commodity, will we actually have good software?

Depends on whether you think good software comes from good initial design (then yes, via the monkeys with typewriters path) or intentional feature evolution (then no, because that's a more artistic, skilled endeavor).

Anyone who lived through 90s OSS UX and MySpace would likely agree that design taste is unevenly distributed throughout the population.

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