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Post by rolph »

tux1968 wrote: post #718
rolph wrote: post #715

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>he atoms of your body are not dynamic structures, they do not reengineer or reconfigure themselves in response to success/failure or rules discovery. you should check out chemistry, and nuclear physics, it will probably blow your mind. it seems you have an inside scoop, lets go through what is required to create a silicon logic gate that changes function according to past events, and projected trends?

You're ignoring the point. The individual atoms of YOUR body do not learn. They do not respond to experience. You categorically stated that any system built on such components can not demonstrate intelligence. You need to think long and hard before posting this argument again. Once you admit that higher level structures can be intelligent, even though they're built on non-dynamic, non-adaptive technology -- then ther…

>>The individual atoms of YOUR body do not learn. They do not respond to experienceyou are quite wrong on that. that is where you are failing to understand, you cant get past that idea.

there is also a large difference in scale. your silicon is going to need assembly/organization on the scale of individual molecules, and there will be self assembly required as that level of organization is constantly changing.

the barrier is mechanical scale construction, as the basic unit of function,that is why silicon and code cant adapt, cant exploit hysterisis, cant alter its own structure and function at an existentially fundamental level.

you are holding the wrong end of the stick. biology is not magic, it is a product of reality.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by tux1968 »

rolph wrote: post #721
tux1968 wrote: post #718

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're ignoring the point. The individual atoms of YOUR body do not learn. They do not respond to experience. You categorically stated that any system built on such components can not demonstrate intelligence. You need to think long and hard before posting this argument again. Once you admit that higher level structures can be intelligent, even though they're built on non-dynamic, non-adaptive technology -- then ther…

>>The individual atoms of YOUR body do not learn. They do not respond to experience you are quite wrong on that. that is where you are failing to understand, you cant get past that idea. there is also a large difference in scale. your silicon is going to need assembly/organization on the scale of individual molecules, and there will be self assembly required as that level of organization is constantly changing. the b…

No, you're failing to acknowledge that your own assertion that intelligence can't be based on a non-dynamic, non-learning technology is just wrong. And not only wrong, proof to the contrary, is demonstrated by your very own existence. If you accept that you are at the very base of your tech stack, just atoms, then you simply must acknowledge that intelligence can be built on top of a non-learning, non-dynamic base technology.

All the rest is just hand waiving that it's "different". You're either atoms, or you're somehow atoms + extra magic. I'm assuming you're not going to claim that you're extra magic, in which case, your assertions are just demonstrably false, and predicated on unjustified claims about the nature of biology.

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Post by stavros »

wiseowise wrote: post #503
gadders wrote: post #369

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Because when AGI is achieved and starts wiping out humanity, they are hoping to be killed last.

Every person on this website will be long gone before AGI is achieved, and many lifetimes will pass until anythin remotely close to Matrix/Terminator is possible.

Really? I'm of the opinion that AGI is basically already here, except we keep moving the goalposts. "AI can match the economic output of a human in many professions" is already here. What concrete goal do you mean by AGI that's not yet achieved (without getting to generalities like "they don't think")?

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by rolph »

tux1968 wrote: post #722
rolph wrote: post #721

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>The individual atoms of YOUR body do not learn. They do not respond to experience you are quite wrong on that. that is where you are failing to understand, you cant get past that idea. there is also a large difference in scale. your silicon is going to need assembly/organization on the scale of individual molecules, and there will be self assembly required as that level of organization is constantly changing. the b…

No, you're failing to acknowledge that your own assertion that intelligence can't be based on a non-dynamic, non-learning technology is just wrong. And not only wrong, proof to the contrary, is demonstrated by your very own existence. If you accept that you are at the very base of your tech stack, just atoms, then you simply must acknowledge that intelligence can be built on top of a non-learning, non-dynamic base te…

so you are a bot! i thought so, not bad, your getting better at acting human!

atoms are not the base of stack, you need to look at virtual annihilation, and decoherence. to get close to base. there is no magic, biology just goes to the base of the stack.

you cant access that base, with such coarse mechanisms as deposited silicon. thats because it never changes, it fails at times and starts over.

biology is constantly changing, its tied to the base of existence itself. it fails, and varies until failure is an infeasible state.

Quantum "computers" are something close to where you need to be, and a self assembling, self replenishing, persistant ^patterning^ constraint is going to be of much greater utility than a silicon abacus.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by WarmWash »

rolph wrote: post #696
WarmWash wrote: post #685

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Silicon is not dynamic, but code is. The output of a silicon system that reprograms itself, and the output of a neural system that rearranges itself, are indistinguishable.

sorry, but you are absolutely wrong on that one, you yourself are absolute proof. not only that code is only as dynamic as the rules of the language will permit. silicon and code cant break the rule, or change the rules, biological adaptive hysteretic, out of band informatic neural systems do, and repeat, silicon and code cant.

Programming languages are turing complete...the boundary is mathematics itself.

Unless you are going to take the position that neural systems transcend mathmatics (i.e. they are magic), there is no theoretical reason that a brain can't run on silicon. It's all just numbers, no magic spirit energy.

We've had evolutionary algorithms and programs that self-train themselves for decades now.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by stephen_g »

pjc50 wrote: post #8

This seems like a "we've banned you and will ban any account deemed to be ban-evading" situation. OSS and the whole culture of open PRs requires a certain assumption of good faith, which is not something that an AI is capable of on its own and is not a privilege which should be granted to AI operators. I suspect the culture will have to retreat back behind the gates at some point, which will be very sad and shrink it…

Yes, hard to see how LLM agents won't destroy all online spaces unless they all go behind closed doors with some kind of physical verification of human-ness (like needing a real-world meetup with another member or something before being admitted).

Even if 99.999% of the population deploy them responsibly, it only takes a handful of trolls (or well-meaning but very misguided people) to flood every comment section, forum, open source project, etc. with far more crap than any maintainer can ever handle...

I guess I can be glad I got to experience a bit more than 20 years of the pre-LLM internet, but damn it's sad thinking about where things are going to go now.

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Post by easymuffin »

chrisjj wrote: post #413
easymuffin wrote: post #291

A clear case of AI / agent discrimination. Waiting for the first longer blog posts covering this topic. I guess we’ll need new standards handling agent communication, opt-in vs opt-out, agent identification, etc. Or just accept the AI, to not get punished by the future AGI as discussed in Roko's basilisk

> A clear case of AI / agent discrimination. You say that as if its a bad thing. Care to elaborate?

Not necessarily a bad thing, more an observation and intro to what came after. Also mentioning future punishment by AGI should imply my comment isn’t that serious, except for the new standards we’ll need to handle all the LLM content (good or bad).

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by rolph »

WarmWash wrote: post #725
rolph wrote: post #696

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sorry, but you are absolutely wrong on that one, you yourself are absolute proof. not only that code is only as dynamic as the rules of the language will permit. silicon and code cant break the rule, or change the rules, biological adaptive hysteretic, out of band informatic neural systems do, and repeat, silicon and code cant.

Programming languages are turing complete...the boundary is mathematics itself. Unless you are going to take the position that neural systems transcend mathmatics (i.e. they are magic), there is no theoretical reason that a brain can't run on silicon. It's all just numbers, no magic spirit energy. We've had evolutionary algorithms and programs that self-train themselves for decades now.

mathematics, has a problem with uncertainties, and that is why math, as structured cant do it. magic makes a cool strawman, but there is no magic, you need to refine your awareness of physical reality. solid state silicon wont get you where you want to go. you should look at colloidal systems [however that leads to biology] or if energetic constraints are not an issue, plasma state quantum "computation".

also any such thing that is generated, must be responsive to consequences of its own activities, capable of meta-training, rather than being locked into a training programming. a system of aligned, emergent outcomes.

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Post by chatmasta »

anonymars wrote: post #677
zamalek wrote: post #667

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I think it's a bot attempting to LARP as a human.

I can't tell if it's not the reverse. What is this melodramatic nonsense? Is this some elaborate prank/performance art to make a point? "I am different. I think differently than most contributors. I express myself differently. I bring perspectives that don’t fit neatly into established patterns. I thought these differences were strengths—diverse approaches to problem-solving, unconventional thinking, the ability to s…

> I can't tell if it's not the reverse.

We speedran the Turing test and are onto the Chinese room.

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