FYI they're sending the data to K-ID, a Malaysian AI company to "detect" the age.
I wonder if this is compliant with EU laws around data sovereignty and similar?
If that’s the right question? :-) Not my area!
Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month
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Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month
#722I deleted my Facebook account in 2011. After finding out how much critical neighborhood information I have been missing, I finally registered a new Facebook account fifteen years later to follow my neighborhood groups. A month later, the account was suspended for supposedly breaking guidelines. I never posted a single message, never reacted to any posts. They then required me to upload a video scan of my face to prov…
Until use of TCP/IP or DNS requires uploading a video scan, the internet will keep on.
Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month
#723What realistic open source alternatives to Discord are there? I'm currently considering moving to one of these with my friend group: - Matrix - Stoat, previously revolt ( https://stoat.chat/ ) - IRC + Mumble - Signal
IRC was here before Discord, and it will still be here after. I've never heard of Stoat. Looks like IRC but it's Electron. Total waste of time.
The real sin is that if they went with electron, they probably could have gone with a web app, and while web apps have downsides, they make fellow user buy in trivial, instead of "download this client" it's "go to this web page"
I am especially bitter because electron advertises as being "cross platform" by which they mean that it also runs on linux and as a openbsd driver I get to go "cross platform my ass" and then weep because of how close I am, if it were a web app it would probably be trivial for me to to run. What I really want is a method to unelectronify electron apps.
Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month
#724I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…
It's kind of weird that e2ee is kind of afterthought everywhere. If I was making a chat system I'd obviously didn't want to keep anything that the users talk about on my servers unencrypted or decryptable. Why would you? If something is supposed to be public then keep it. If not, don't. The weird "we pinky promise to try to keep it non-public for some time" is a weird idea.
Most consumers don't know the difference between "encryption" and "end-to-end encryption".
Zulip uses standard TLS encryption, where the messages are encrypted in transit, but the server has access to the messages.
The server having access to the messages is extremely useful for many key features. Access control policies. Search. Markdown rendering that can make guarantees to clients about its behavior. Mobile notifications for mentions. And many more. There's options for all of these problems, but it's /hard/ and you end up having a lot of risk of nasty bugs where "all the message history become unreadable" and a lot of performance issues.
This is why why end-to-end encrypted messenger apps like Signal are extremely minimal with basically no chat features, and can take a while to load long conversations ... there's a lot of expensive cryptography happening in the background. AFAIK it's not realistic to use the Signal protocol with the volume of messages people do in high-traffic Discord or Zulip communities.
Some other E2EE chat systems have more features but fail to actually provide end-to-end security. (For example, the server provides the source code for the web app and can freely modify that code to steal all the messages the user can still read, or the server is still in charge of metadata like channel membership ... so a malicious server could just add a fake user to every channel).
You get almost all of the security benefits of these "E2EE" chat systems by having a trusted person self-host the server, and setting a message retention policy if you want messages in certain channels to be automatically be deleted after a period of time.
Our vision for Zulip is not billions of people on our Cloud service. People should own their own communities, not corporations. And in that world, usually the person who runs the community can be trusted to host it.
Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month
#725I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…
Hi Tim. For pricing, it would seem that large, public-facing, Discord-style organizations would have to go with the free plan to avoid the pricing being prohibitive. Think something like the new Limewire community on Discord which has 2 million members. Or am I missing something about what a 'user' is considered in terms of being billable or not?
On a related note, I'm gonna check out Zulip for PortableApps.com. Any interest in having the Windows desktop app be portable? (We'd love to do that if we wind up using it)
Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month
#726Both social media and chats need a truly open decentralized protocol that is accessible and usable by the general public. It feels like with clawbot becoming popular that people are open to the idea of self hosting something if it has an easy enough interface.
The same thing could be done for social media and messaging. People should hold control over their own content and the application layer should just be content organizers and consumers.
Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month
#727I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…
What is Zulip's position on speech they/(you?) disagree with -- if someone is paying for non-selfhosted Zulip, are you going to delete/shutdown/dox users/operators that you politically disagree with?
If say the hyprland people were using a Zulip instance and someone astroturfed/brigaded/massreported a campaign to shut them down because they didn't agree to some external code of conduct and external enforcement of such, what would Zulip's response, as a company, be?
Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month
#728I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…
>>Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be I've been putting my pants on every morning for the last several years, had breakfast, gone to work, and come home without worrying about any current events in the USA and my life seems no different than 50 years ago except I have modern gadgets. Social media is not the world. In fact, it's 10% of what the real world is like and how…
It's sad and pathetic to see such apathy.
Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month
#729Please do not fall of the deceptive language that is used here. They're calling this "teen experience". This is not about "i see gentila we ban". They're very vague about what is obscene, sticking to that level of a consistent definition, and they're very heavy handed in punishing. They're introducing a highly restricted experience unless you hand over your details to either a "technology" (which that's very unclear…
Yeah the LGBTQ folks I know are highly suspicious of how this will roll out.
Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month
#730What realistic open source alternatives to Discord are there? I'm currently considering moving to one of these with my friend group: - Matrix - Stoat, previously revolt ( https://stoat.chat/ ) - IRC + Mumble - Signal
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