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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by pfranz »

mayhemducks wrote: post #707
pjbk wrote: post #128

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People print guns and gun parts. More than you think. Now even more since metal printing is starting to become affordable. I print grip and grip attachments for my 9mms and my AR15, trigger guards, barrel clamps, etc. I also find it stupid since, as the article suggests, what kind of algorithm can you implement to do smart detection of something that could be potentially dangerous? Will it also detect negative space?…

This is my attempt to answer your question about "what kind of algorithm can you implement to detect something dangerous". Disclaimer though, I agree that the proposed regulation is way too broad and will have unintended consequences as written. If you look at how Apple detects contraband imagery, they hash every image that gets uploaded into the photos app. Those hashes are transmitted to servers that compare them t…

> If you look at how Apple detects contraband imagery, they hash every image that gets uploaded into the photos app. Those hashes are transmitted to servers that compare them to hashes of known contraband.

You're spelling out a specific process in detail--which is the only reason I'm picking on details. Do you have anything documenting what you're describing?

From what I remember, Apple's system was proposed, but never shipped. They proposed hashing your photos locally and comparing them to a local database of known CSAM images. Only when there was was a match, they would transmit the photos for manual confirmation. This describes Apple's proposal [1].

I believe what did ship is an algorithm to detect novel nude imagery and gives some sort of warning for kids sending or receiving that data. None of that involves checks against Apple's server.

I do think other existing photo services will scan only photos you've uploaded to their cloud.

I'm happy to make corrections. To my knowledge, what you're describing hasn't been done so far.

[1] https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/929-On...

Re: New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

fortran77 wrote: post #630

The voters of NYC got _exactly_ what they wanted and deserve. They voted to “seize the means of production.” This was one of the few promises delivered. May they enjoy it! I made a choice, too. I cancelled my annual NYC trip in January to see friends and went to Miami instead.

Miami? Miami? Man, you should try the EU. They'd love you over there.

Re: New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by mayhemducks »

pfranz wrote: post #721
mayhemducks wrote: post #707

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my attempt to answer your question about "what kind of algorithm can you implement to detect something dangerous". Disclaimer though, I agree that the proposed regulation is way too broad and will have unintended consequences as written. If you look at how Apple detects contraband imagery, they hash every image that gets uploaded into the photos app. Those hashes are transmitted to servers that compare them t…

> If you look at how Apple detects contraband imagery, they hash every image that gets uploaded into the photos app. Those hashes are transmitted to servers that compare them to hashes of known contraband. You're spelling out a specific process in detail--which is the only reason I'm picking on details. Do you have anything documenting what you're describing? From what I remember, Apple's system was proposed, but nev…

Aah okay - I remember it being proposed, but perhaps I wrongly assumed it had shipped. I do wonder sometimes if Apple is doing anything that we aren't privy to with photos that end up in iCloud.

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Post by autoexec »

Ray20 wrote: post #631
crote wrote: post #597

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> Registration procedures should be more complex and strict, not simpler. If someone is irresponsible, disorganized, or illiterate enough to fail to fill the form on time, then why should we consider their vote meaningful? The US tried to do this kind of "literacy test" before, remember? It's where the expression "grandfathered in" comes from: you had to do an impossible-to-pass test to gain the right to vote - excep…

> this kind of "literacy test" Where did I mention a "literacy test"? I'm against such tests for exactly the same reasons I'm against prisoner voting. > If prisoners can't vote, what's stopping the party in power from preventing them from ever losing an election by just jailing everyone expected to vote against them? Prisons, by definition, are built on the principle that prisoners are under the full control of priso…

> And I don't think there's a need to increase incentives for authorities to imprison more people to achieve the desired election results through prisoners' voting.

Because what happens in the ballot box is private, it should be possible to let prisoners vote without interference as long as poll workers are allowed inside to do their job, but it's not just people currently in prison you have to worry about. There are places where convicted felons can lose their right to vote even after they've served their time and laws like that have already been used to suppress votes.

> The goal is to preserve democracy by reducing the government's ability to build a totalitarian dictatorship

Freedom means having enough rope to hang yourself with. By strictly limiting who is allowed to vote and taking that right away from millions of Americans you'd be destroying the country, not saving it.

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Post by propellerhat »

slg wrote: post #212

I think it's interesting to note that not only is there precedent for this type of "blocking technology that prevents the printing of certain things"[1], but it's also inconsequential and uncontroversial enough that most of the people here obviously have never even heard of it. We lost the ability to print $50 bills with our HPs[2] and it had no noticeable negative impact on society. I'm not sure why losing the abili…

Huge, important distinctions:

Manufacturing firearms is not unlawful in the State of New York, nor is it unlawful federally.

As far as I can tell, there is no federal or state law that compels any company to add features like the ones HP has added to their products. I have not spent a large amount of time researching. Just browsed a few articles like this one https://www.itestcash.com/blogs/news/your-guide-to-federal-c....

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Post by lostlogin »

SoftTalker wrote: post #699
lostlogin wrote: post #465

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Also on the list: Tackling the electoral college thing such that every voter contributed equally, regardless of their home state. I don’t live in the US, but US elections have quite an influence and it’s frustrating to see a system I perceive as very flawed having such an effect here, at the other end of the world in New Zealand.

In the US, states elect the president, not the people individually. This is a pretty foundational element of our constitution.

Having a president which a minority of cast votes picked is a problem in my view.

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Post by 9875325996435 »

x______________ wrote: post #481
WalterBright wrote: post #451

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Forcing people to the polling place doesn't sound like a free society. Nor does it auger for any positive votes - people forced into something don't behave well. You'll get perverse voting.

Living in a civilized society with other people should have its social responsibilities, amongst others.

And you get to decide what others are forced to do, right?

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Post by 9875325996435 »

_heimdall wrote: post #240
BobaFloutist wrote: post #182

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Right, because most people recognize that the US has become sufficiently polarized and radicalized that "If enough people are mad at you, a complete stranger might shoot you" is not a theory of change we want to encourage. Yes, even for causes we agree with, most adults in the room understand that "people being mad at you" is pretty independent of how righteous your cause is, and even how civil and thoughtful you are…

Are you claiming that the most likely proximal cause for his murder was the legal ability to print a gun rather than any concerns or grievances the shooter may have had related to the healthcare industry or United Healthcare specifically?

Won't someone think of the grievances that poor far-left terrorist had this vermin murdered Brian Thompson :'(

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Post by mikkupikku »

crote wrote: post #584
pton_xd wrote: post #310

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It's always been this way. According to Google 64% of the voting age population voted in 2024. In 1972 it was 56%, in 1976 it was 55%, in 1980 it was 55%, in 1984 it was 56%... you get the idea [0]. [0] https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalst...

Yeah, and those figures are horrible . In other Western countries the turnout is closer to 80%, with some even hitting over 90%. The fact that ~20% of the population either wants to vote but is unable to do so or is disillusioned about the democratic process to the point of not voting at all is extremely worrying. This is not what a healthy democracy should look like.

The point of letting people vote is to make people feel as though they're involved in the process so they're less likely to cause social unrest. If somebody is too apathetic to vote, they're also too apathetic to cause trouble and therefore it's not a real problem that they didn't vote.

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Post by 9875325996435 »

fortran77 wrote: post #690
ptorrone wrote: post #642

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(posting this in both comments about this) i am the author of the article. the adafruit blog is not trying to block you my dude(s). we are under constant automated scraping and ddos, largely from ai crawlers, and we use cloudflare to keep the site online at all. the nature of of these things will cause false positives depending on browser, extensions, network, or referrer. the site publishs full-text rss feeds with n…

Forget it. Every thread has these who people complain when some website doesn't open in Lynx or Amaya with Javascript disabled. Ignore them.

Didn't know there were proponents of Cloudflare's enshittification and centralization of the Internet.
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