Earlier quoted context omitted.
> For instance, if you are a French entity then sovereignty means your data stay in France. Moving things to de facto EU control is the opposite of sovereignty. It’s something that crops up fairly often and I think most of the time from people who are profoundly misguided or just cannot understand that other people might see things differently. Germany is never going to annex parts of France while the EU is a thing.…
So if someone doesn't agree with the narrative and points out the obvious manipulation taking place they are wrong, misguided, or simply stupid... I mean, you couldn't prove my point any better, could you? And quite ironic, too about others seeing things differently...
Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
721–729 of 729 posts
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#722The time for Great Firewall of Europe was 2005, when Friendster, Skype, Xing were still a thing. Probably too late now but effort still needs to be made. One upside of a sovereign European Internet is an ecosystem which may sustain thousands of well paying jobs
Great Firewall? Is that where you think we - Europeans, Americans, anyone living in what used to be called the 'free world' - should go, just follow the Chinese and North Korean and similar regimes in restricting access to whatever those in control deem to be appropriate? Do you even realise what you're proposing here? We in what used to be called the 'free world' used to revel in our freedom of movement, our freedom…
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#723Earlier quoted context omitted.
And several European countries had their own card systems. The banks have just decided that letting US companies do the work is more lucrative. It was definitely cheaper and it was necessary if they want to be part of US hegemony network and trade with Asian countries since many of them had bad relationships due to colonialism.
The local card systems still exist in most places, but they only work if you have a card from that country, for people travelling across Europe its useless as once you cross the border people won't accept that card anymore and you're back to taking only visa/mastercard.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#724> This isn't just compliance theater; it's a straight‑up national economic security play. The woes of LLM contrasts… In all seriousness, the points made ring true not only for European companies and should make everyone consider the implications of the current situation, as dreary as they are.
Just as America would like to reduce its dependence on external production, so to do other countries want to reduce their own. We used to live in a world converging toward maximal international trade, when in fact it was exploiting underdeveloped nations. As we progress globally, and as the development gap shrinks, we have noticed power dynamics which weren't well guarded against in the old way. So now what? How do w…
Conflating the president's desire and projecting it onto ordinary people. Most people don't care about this issue, it's the current president who is hellbent on destroying free trade.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#725Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, if the Zastava had 5-10x the amount of horsepower and storage space of the BYD for the same amount of money. Because that’s what is often the reality. Bare metal is unreasonably efficient compared to cloud services for not that much more know-how. I do tech DD work for investment funds etc and one thing I often see are slow, complex and expensive AWS-heavy architectures that optimize for problems the company do…
Out of interest, what control plane do you use for a Hetzner/metal setup? Kubernetes ecosystem? I use Coolify for side projects, haven’t investigated whether I’d want to use it for bigger/importanter stuff.
But if you do need one, I guess Kubernetes is perhaps the safe bet. Not so much because I think it is better/worse than anything else, but because you can easily find people who know it and it has a big ecosystem around it. I'd probably recommend Kubernetes if I were forced to make a general recommendation.
That being said, this has been something that I've been playing with a bit over the years. I've been exploring both ends of the spectrum. What I realized is that we tend to waste a lot of time on this with very little to show for it in terms of improved service reliability.
On one extreme we built a system that has most of the control plane as a layer in the server application. Then external to that we monitored performance and essentially had one lever: add or remove capacity. The coordination layer in the service figured out what to do with additional resources. Or how to deal with resources disappearing. There was only one binary and the service would configure itself to take on one of several roles as needed. All the way down to all of the roles if you are the last process running. (Almost nobody cares about the ability to scale all the way down, but it is nice when you can demo your entire system on a portable rack of RPis - and then just turn them off one by one without the service going down)
On the other extreme is having a critical look at what you really need and realize that if the worst case means a couple of hours of downtime a couple of times per year, you can make do with very little. Just systemd deb packages and SSH access is sufficient for an awful lot of more forgiving cases.
I also dabbled a bit in running systems by having a smallish piece of Go code remote-manage a bunch of servers running Docker. People tend to laugh about this, but it was easy to set up, it is easy to understand and it took care of everything that the service needed. The kubernetes setup that replaced it has had 4-5 times the amount of downtime. But to be fair, the person who took over the project went a bit overboard and probably wasn't the best qualified to manage kubernetes to begin with.
It seems silly to not take advantage of Docker having an API that works perfectly well. (I'd research Podman if I were to do this again).
I don't understand why more people don't try the simple stuff first when the demands they have to meet easily allow for it.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#726Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great Firewall? Is that where you think we - Europeans, Americans, anyone living in what used to be called the 'free world' - should go, just follow the Chinese and North Korean and similar regimes in restricting access to whatever those in control deem to be appropriate? Do you even realise what you're proposing here? We in what used to be called the 'free world' used to revel in our freedom of movement, our freedom…
It is 2026 and you still speak of the 'free world'. I give you credit for at least using doubt quotes.
History does not change by choosing to ignore it. We in 'The West' used to think of ourselves as 'the free world' and to a large extent there was truth to this claim when comparing 'us' with people behind the Iron Curtain and communist China. Once the wall was broken, the borders opened and the Soviet Union dissolved this ceased to be true. By and large we're still better off than e.g. people in Russia but in many ways it seems like the bad ideas from places like the Soviet Union and China are being implemented at large scale in many countries on the west side of the former Iron Curtain.
So yes, I will keep on referring to these countries in this way, 'used to be called the free world' because this is how those countries did refer to themselves. History matters, it is there to be learned from.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#727Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, if the Zastava had 5-10x the amount of horsepower and storage space of the BYD for the same amount of money. Because that’s what is often the reality. Bare metal is unreasonably efficient compared to cloud services for not that much more know-how. I do tech DD work for investment funds etc and one thing I often see are slow, complex and expensive AWS-heavy architectures that optimize for problems the company do…
Hetzner doesn't even have an RDS service. I've heard rumors for years but they haven't done it. Also, while I agree that leaning too much on the cloud leads to lock-in - this is an abstract concept that needs to be guarded against when managing technology, always, anyway - and vendor-driven hellish architectures, "vanilla cloud" offers other conveniences other than compute, bucket, storage managed and load balancers,…
But if you have bare metal with fast disk drives, everything changes. You can get decent performance at a lower price in exchange for taking on a bit more responsibility. So then the question becomes how much of a burden it is to manage what is essentially just another application.
AWS doesn’t just rent computers, it rents relief from responsibility, and prices raw performance to make that trade feel inevitable.
Most people do not operate services that cannot bear very occasional downtime. But they have been conditioned to think they do. Or to not consider other factors that influence their actual downtime.
For instance: we ran a service that in itself achieved 99.99% uptime (allowing about 52 minutes of downtime per year). We even survived a big AWS outage that took out almost everyone else because we had as much redundancy as we could afford. However, the service depended completely on a system totally outside our control that would, on average have multiple outages every day (well usually at night, but not always). Ranging from 30 second blips to an hour. Meaning that the customers would have to deal with this anyway. No matter how stable our systems were.
And yet, for years we obsessed about uptime needlessly. Our customers didn’t care. They had to deal with the unreliability of the upstream system anyway. It didn’t cost us that much money, but it did make everything more complex.
Now, back to the question: do you need RDS? When was the last time you set up and ran Postgres? When was the last time you set up replication and live backups? How hard was it the first time? How hard was it to repeat after doing it once?
If you are already on bare metal servers you may want to at least try to set up Postgres a few times and track cost in terms of time, money and complexity. Because if you use RDS, chances are it isn’t the only thing you are managing in the cloud.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#728Earlier quoted context omitted.
[flagged]
Ah the good old unelected bureaucrat-myth. And then you check and the very (usually right wing) politicians rallying against the bureaucrats voted for this or that regulation themselves.
Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native
#729Earlier quoted context omitted.
> to a EU registrar Which one? I've been using DNSimple for so long, been trying to find something equally developer friendly who is based in Europe but haven't had much success. Used to use Gandi before DNSimple but it's obviously down the drain today.
I've been using DNSimple for ages and I'm looking to switch; not because of geopolitical reasons (I'm American), but they're just damn expensive for the simple dns and domain management stuff I use them for.