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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Bingo. Sprinter vans, utility vans, or even minivans are far, far more useful for trades than modern pickups. Heck, my minivan was the goat for home renovations—it’d easily fit a dozen full 4x8 sheets of drywall/osb/ply/mdf/etc and I could still close the rear gate. I always got chuckles from guys awkwardly wrangling/securing sheets onto a pickup’s bed at the supply yard when I’d easily slide the sheets off the cart…

> I’ll take a moment to lament the demise of the light duty pickup that provided a bit of extra utility while still fitting in a normal parking space. I miss the hell out of my '82 Chevrolet S10 with extended cab and two-tone paint job. The extended cab isn't going to be used for hauling the soccer team, but I could put it was plenty of space for "inside only" cargo. Damn thing threw a rod and cracked the case, and I…

I'm taking my 1st gen Tacoma 5-spd to the grave

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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No, but a sprinter van is going to provide better actual utility for most trades and a 80k f150 platinum is a long way away from a white 2 door long bed which can make the spend not make sense business wise. As you say though I do see trades workers with the fancy pickup trucks (often with a trailer, cant scratch that bed paint aha) which I attribute to low interest on auto loans and poor business sense.

> but a sprinter van is going to provide better actual utility for most trades Certain jobs in certain trades, not all of them > and a 80k f150 platinum Base F150 starts at half that. This is silly

> Base F150 starts at half that. This is silly

No it isn't [1].

> There seems to be no limit these days to how lavishly equipped, not to mention expensive, full-size standard-duty pickup trucks have become at the upper reaches of their respective model lines. [...] They’re brash and uniquely American alternatives to fine-tuned European luxury SUVs. For those keeping score, Kelley Blue Book says the average full-size pickup sold for $66,386 last month, due in large part to the growing popularity of such upscale models.

Sixty. Six. Thousand. Dollars.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2026/01/14/the-cos...

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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> A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one The modern US pickup truck isn't built for utility. It's a $60,000 four-door lifted luxobarge with leather interior and a short bed. It signals (perceived) wealth while preserving working-class alignment. It can also be justified by way of having to pick up used furniture for TikTok refinish and flip projects or bim…

As someone who's just been trying to buy a crappy used truck to haul some crap to the dump a couple times a year, you're absolutely spot on. I even live in the southwest US where trucks make up a considerable portion of vehicles on the road. Crappy used trucks simply aren't up for sale. And even the rare listing I do come across, the asking price is ridiculously inflated.

Rent?

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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>I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics That and also it's just a bad product. >That said, even though it's not to my taste, I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one edit: agree there's a market…

> A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one The modern US pickup truck isn't built for utility. It's a $60,000 four-door lifted luxobarge with leather interior and a short bed. It signals (perceived) wealth while preserving working-class alignment. It can also be justified by way of having to pick up used furniture for TikTok refinish and flip projects or bim…

Maybe temper your otherism a bit, and try reading this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/opinion/marie-gluesenkamp...

“Spreadsheets can contain a part of truth,” Ms. Gluesenkamp Perez told me. “But never all of truth.”

Looking to illustrate this, I bought the recent book “White Rural Rage” and opened it more or less at random to a passage about rural pickup trucks. It cites a rich portfolio of data and even a scholarly expert on the psychology of truck purchasers, to make what might seem like an obvious point — that it’s inefficient and deluded for rural and suburban men to choose trucks as their daily driving vehicles. The passage never does explain, though, how you’re supposed to haul an elk carcass or pull a cargo trailer without one.

It’s all but impossible to go into any rural bar in America today, ask for thoughts on pickup trucks and not hear complaints about the size of trucks these days, about touch-screens and silly gimmicks manufacturers use to justify their ballooning prices. Our economy, awash in cheap capital, has turned quality used trucks into something like a luxury asset class.

It’s often more affordable in the near-term to buy a new truck than a reliable used one. Manufacturers are incentivized by federal regulations, and by the basic imperatives of the thing economy, to produce ever-bigger trucks for ever-higher prices to lock people into a cycle of consumption and debt that often lasts a lifetime.

This looks like progress, in G.D.P. figures, but we are rapidly grinding away the freedom and agency once afforded by the ability to buy a good, reasonable-size truck that you could work on yourself and own fully. You can learn a lot about why people feel so alienated in our economy if you ask around about the pickup truck market.

Instead, the authors of “White Rural Rage” consulted data and an expert to argue that driving a pickup reflects a desire to “stay atop society’s hierarchy,” but they do not actually try to reckon much with the problem that passage raises — that consumer choices, such as buying trucks, have become a way for many Americans to express the deep attachment they have to a life rooted in the physical world. A reader might conclude that people who want a vehicle to pull a boat or haul mulch are misguided, or even dangerous. And a party led by people who believe that is doomed among rural voters, the Midwestern working class and probably American men in general.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Yes, you are encouraged to slam on your brakes at least once a month to get the rust off. I live on the west coast (rain but low humidity and hardly any snow), so its less of an issue.

First read your owner's manual to see if it says anything about this. My EV for example has a brake cleaning mode that turns off regeneration for approximately the next 10 times you use the brakes. Using that is probably going to be safer than slamming on the brakes.

If anything unsafe happens when you slam on your brakes, you need to get your car serviced. Just do it on a quiet street and check your rearview mirror for someone following too closely (a good habit any time you brake).

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Yes, anybody who puts a sticker on their car apologizing for owning it is somebody who bought it to make a statement. I bought mine because I researched best gas mileage, lowest ongoing maintenance cost, and dimensions that fit the the city, and that's what I came up with.

Then you are really bad at research

The 175k miles I've put on it over the last decade say otherwise :)

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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> I’ll take a moment to lament the demise of the light duty pickup that provided a bit of extra utility while still fitting in a normal parking space. I miss the hell out of my '82 Chevrolet S10 with extended cab and two-tone paint job. The extended cab isn't going to be used for hauling the soccer team, but I could put it was plenty of space for "inside only" cargo. Damn thing threw a rod and cracked the case, and I…

You could run a single issue presidential campaign on bringing the S10 back (all it would really take is patching some weired emissions regulations mistakes). A better truck from a better time.

A fun-sized six speed pickup with a turbo four banger? Sign me up.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics hurt it quite a bit. It is such a distinctive vehicle with a strong association with Elon, that there was an immediate brand association. It may have had poor sales anyway, but it certainly didn't help that many folks on the left, who are typically the most 'pro EV', had a large 'anti-Elon' shift…

As much as this is to blame, don't forget the year plus delay, ~60% increase in price, omitted features, safety investigations, recalls, etc.

It's clear the design was half baked from the start.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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The bar of soap is aerodynamic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient

They're so ugly to me. Anything with that teardrop shape is immediately out of my purchasing decision matrix. I like boxy vehicles and sharp angles you could cut yourself on. The Toyota FJ Cruiser. The new Ford Bronco. The new Land Cruiser FJ. The original DeLorean DMC-12 speaks to me. The Ferrari F40. The Corvette C8. The Unimog. FMTV trucks. Nothing that looks like a dollop of sour cream or a tear drop breast impla…

I love the look of Unimogs and FMTVs.

I was seriously thinking about looking into finding a surplus FMTV until I realized just how loud and uncomfortable they probably are. Sure, that can be fixed, but I have enough projects.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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you can just rent a u-haul for $35 or whatever the four times a year you need it

U-haul doesn't offer those in my location. The only place that would work is home depot, but honestly its a prep so I haven't bothered yet.

For somewhere between 25 and 100 bucks, you can hire some dude with a truck to make furniture disappear for you.
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