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Post by olyjohn »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #392
mschild wrote: post #348

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I agree, but when rewatching older Trek shows it is also a bit infuriating how nothing really has an impact. Last season of TNG they introduced the fact that warp was damaging subspace. That fact was forgotten just a few episodes later. I think Strange New Worlds walks that balancing act particularly well though. A lot of episodes are their own adventure but you do have character development and an overarching story…

> when rewatching older Trek shows it is also a bit infuriating how nothing really has an impact TNG: You get e.g. changes in political relationships between major powers in the Alpha/Beta quadrant, several recurring themes (e.g. Ferengi, Q, Borg), and continuous character development. However, this show does much better job at exploring the Star Trek universe breadth-first, rather than over time. DS9: Had one of the…

To be fair, there were a couple of times where they mentioned being allowed to exceed warp speed limits for an emergency. Otherwise, they were usually traveling under Warp 6.

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Post by episode404 »

Aurornis wrote: post #521
neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

> I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood Let people enjoy things. If you don’t even watch TV yourself, it shouldn’t bother you how other people enjoy their own TV. If someone enjoys frame interpolation for their private watching, so what?

That's a weird thing to be so insistent on defending.

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Post by episode404 »

neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

Thank you. I didn't go to film school but I still can easily tell if a TV has those "enhancements" turned on. It's horrible and quite weird to me that most people don't seem to realize that something is off when watching movies.

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Post by socalgal2 »

tensor wrote: post #154
socalgal2 wrote: post #152

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Conspriacy theory ... TVs have bad sound so you're compelled to by a soundbar for $$$ I've certainly had the experience of hard to hear dialog but I think (could be wrong) that that's only really happened with listening through the TV speakers. Since I live in an apartment, 99% of the time I'm listening with headphones and haven't noticed that issue in a long time.

Like all conspiracy theories, this seems rooted in a severe lack of education. How exactly do you expect a thin tiny strip to produce any sort of good sound? It's basic physics. It's impossible for a modern tv to produce good sound in any capacity.

My Mac is pretty thin. It provides pretty good sound. My older LCD TVs (before my current one) all provided good sound. So no, I don't need to have a server lack of education. All I need is my actual experience to know that it's not impossible for a thin TV to have reasonable sound.

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Post by UltraSane »

echelon wrote: post #714
UltraSane wrote: post #711

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The "illusion" is simply people being used to 24fps after it has been in use for so long.

Makeup and wardrobe and lighting are all impacted by frame rate. You can see cheap set decoration at 48 fps. It disappears at 24 fps.

Had the same issue with when TV switched to HD. It is a bad argument.

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Post by ant6n »

mschild wrote: post #348
ant6n wrote: post #335

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This used to irk me too. And I liked the epic stories that really became mainstream in the 2010s. But the problem is, nowadays the progression in each episode has become minuscule. It’s not an epic told in 15 stories, it’s just one story drawn out in 15 chapters. It’s often just a bridge from one cliffhanger to the next. For example most of new the Star Trek stuff, none of the episodes stand by themselves. They don’t…

I agree, but when rewatching older Trek shows it is also a bit infuriating how nothing really has an impact. Last season of TNG they introduced the fact that warp was damaging subspace. That fact was forgotten just a few episodes later. I think Strange New Worlds walks that balancing act particularly well though. A lot of episodes are their own adventure but you do have character development and an overarching story…

Agreed about strange new worlds. It’s what makes it the best Trek in 20 years - besides lower decks, of course. It feels like Star Trek again, because the episodic story telling allows to explore, well, strange new worlds.

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Post by scilro »

bootlooped wrote: post #551
randerson wrote: post #497

I'd pay good money for a dumb 4K OLED TV that does nothing but show whatever is coming in through the HDMI port. I use a Playstation 5 for everything including Netflix, Apple TV and so on. But every time I turn on the PS5, my TV detects the Playstation and automatically changes the TV's Sound and Video modes to "Gaming", which makes dialog difficult to hear on TV. So I change the setting manually using its horrible r…

I used to feel this way, at least about having the TV do zero processing. Something that recently changed my viewpoint a little bit was that I was noticing that 24-30 fps content was appearing very choppy. I couldn't figure out why it looked like that. It turns out it's because modern OLED TVs can switch frames very cleanly and rapidly, CRTs or older LCDs were not like that, and their relative slowness in switching f…

All you need to fix that is 3:2 pulldown, which all modern TVs should be able to do.

Unfortunately this is another basic feature that tends to be "branded" on TVs. On my Sony Bravia it's split into a combination of features called Cinemotion and Motionflow.

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Post by epistasis »

redox99 wrote: post #707
epistasis wrote: post #679

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That the entire problem is intentional does not make it any less of a defect. Intentionally making audio uncomfortable is not a sign of art or skill, it's a sign of delivering a bad product.

The audio is not uncomfortable, 75 dB is a reasonable calibration level for a home setup (your average scene will be much quieter). 75 dB in real life is your typical restaurant, office, etc.

Did you mean to reply to a different comment? What does calibration or 75 dB have to do with anything I said?

The most common experience on the poorly mixed content that several in this thread are complaining about are: the volume setting necessary for intelligible audio results in uncomfortably loud audio in other parts.

This is a defect of the content, not of the system it's playing on.

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Post by mbreese »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #658
mbreese wrote: post #656

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I think a good chunk of it has to do with the TVs themselves. I don't have any extra sound system attached to my TV, so I'm working with whatever sound comes out of the TV itself. As TVs get thinner, speakers also get smaller, and focused downwards. So we're using tiny speakers that are pointed indirectly towards me. I could probably fix over half of the problems I have with TV audio with a decent sound bar, and a go…

> think a good chunk of it has to do with the TVs themselves I have a thin TV. I have to turn on subtitles for modern films. For older movies from the same streaming service, however, I can understand everything fine.

Silly question -- for the older movies, have you seen them before?

If one of the arguments is that the people doing the sound mixing know the audio/words so they are oblivious to the difficulty that a new viewer will have understanding the words, it's also possible that a repeat viewer might also have similar biases with older media.

I can think of half a dozen different other reasons why there's a difference between older and newer media. I don't think it's just one thing. I do think differences in thin TVs is one factor, but not the only one. I have a few different generations of LCDs at home. I generally can understand spoken words better on my oldest one. It's also the thickest, so it should have the largest speakers.

But, I think another factor is the digital audio profiles. If you're mixing for just stereo (or even mono), you're probably going to get an easier to understand audio track. If you're mixing for surround-sound (and not listening on a 5.1 external receiver), the TV is going to have a more difficult time and the viewer is probably going to get a lower-quality audio track compared to a track mixed specifically for just two channels.

But, at least I now have a project -- I'll pull an older movie from Netflix that I haven't seen to test my theory...

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