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Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by midnitewarrior »

cookiengineer wrote: post #278
nostrademons wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

Reputation management is what it will take to bring trust back to all forms of media. It means creating a trusted identity that can be verified, and that the identity is known to be a real human with a reputation to lose if exposed as being a bot or otherwise untrustworthy.

Unfortunately, for common people whose aim is not celebrity, this means handing over your privacy in order to have a voice.

We can do this in our IRL circles of trust, people know you because they have met or interacted with you personally.

Online, this means someone like Zuck creating a digital identity for us after we entrust them with our privacy, or some kind of open source complicated technology identifier like a cryptographically verified signature that is techno bro-free that will only be adopted or understood by tech literate.

It's a dark day for genuine human interaction and trust.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by slfnflctd »

pixl97 wrote: post #295
layer8 wrote: post #173

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The question is how LLMs will get that kind of information in the future, if not from the web. By scraping TikTok and Discords?

>By scraping TikTok and Discords? One of two ways. Yes, by scraping, even it it requires users to 'sell' their own browsing data to the AI companies because places like Discord lock them out. Or, the other way is for particular event organizers to pay directly for their services to be advertised/incorporated into the LLM itself. Those that don't pay get more and more of their data erased from the LLM maybe?

Oof, that second one is ugly. Like Yelp style.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by zkmon »

It is fantastic to see how a research paper by Google fueled the force that might kill Google. Attention is all that is sold by google. It is an attention broker. Now that very attention is thinly distributed, Attention as the most precious food for businesses, is under fierce struggle. Google has ruled the city center area will all the attention sinks, the billboards. But AI is the new mafia on the scene that kidnapped all attention and hoarded it inside the AI data centers.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by ethbr1 »

lazide wrote: post #669
ethbr1 wrote: post #587

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Parent was saying that most men don't understand the amount of casual sexual harassment women are subjected to in unmoderated online spaces -- much more so than men receive. Which makes me sad. Apparently Y chromosome + enculturation = prerogative to send unsolicited photos of ones genitalia to random internet strangers.

No, rather both are on opposite sides of an equation, and being buried in competition from folks trying to solve their part of it in isolation. Women == get too much attention, often of the wrong type. How to get the right kind of attention? Men == not getting any attention, of any type. How to get some attention? So women either get ‘the wrong kind’ of attention, but plenty of it - or somehow figure out the magic of…

I think we might come from different cultural expectations?

In my book, it's reductive to sweep unsolicited sexual harassment under "attention", unwanted or otherwise.

It's not rocket science: everyone deserves to be treated in a way that makes them feel comfortable and safe.

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Post by tomjuggler »

sgustard wrote: post #563
fairity wrote: post #125

Surprised to see this upvoted because the takeaway is completely incorrect, and based on the anecdotal evidence of one advertiser. As someone who spends seven figures every month on Google ads, what’s much more likely to be happening here is that the individual advertiser is either getting outcompeted or they’re executing ads poorly. Google ads revenue in the US continues to grow every quarter. And, since advertisers…

I just Googled "kids magic show in Durban" and his ad showed up in the top slot (sorry if this post has swamped your ad bill); and as a bonus, the Gemini AI blurb also touted him: "For kids' magic shows in Durban, look for local entertainers like Big Top Entertainment..." Doesn't seem like the issue is he's being outbid by international conglomerates with million dollar budgets. Maybe the kids magic show market has c…

There is no ad - that's organic. Money ran out day before yesterday

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Post by atombender »

cookiengineer wrote: post #278
nostrademons wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

Which Reddit thread was that, out of curiosity? And how do you know which commenters were bots?

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by tomjuggler »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #688
sgustard wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just Googled "kids magic show in Durban" and his ad showed up in the top slot (sorry if this post has swamped your ad bill); and as a bonus, the Gemini AI blurb also touted him: "For kids' magic shows in Durban, look for local entertainers like Big Top Entertainment..." Doesn't seem like the issue is he's being outbid by international conglomerates with million dollar budgets. Maybe the kids magic show market has c…

Google ads are very time & location dependent, the fact that it's showing to you might be a bad sign since you are most likely not close to Durban and this seems like an ad you only want to run locally.

Yes our ads were geo-fenced when I had them on. We have always had a good web presence, I think the conclusion is that nobody looks for services on Google, and our reliance on it above other channels is now no longer viable

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Post by lazide »

ethbr1 wrote: post #726
lazide wrote: post #669

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, rather both are on opposite sides of an equation, and being buried in competition from folks trying to solve their part of it in isolation. Women == get too much attention, often of the wrong type. How to get the right kind of attention? Men == not getting any attention, of any type. How to get some attention? So women either get ‘the wrong kind’ of attention, but plenty of it - or somehow figure out the magic of…

I think we might come from different cultural expectations? In my book, it's reductive to sweep unsolicited sexual harassment under "attention", unwanted or otherwise. It's not rocket science: everyone deserves to be treated in a way that makes them feel comfortable and safe.

Sexual harassment (having been a target of it), is pretty much the definition of ‘unwanted attention’. Targets typically just want to be left alone.

It’s also a crime in some places, not (!!!) in others, or called different things in other places depending on the details.

For example, is sending an unsolicited dick pic on a dating app sexual harassment? Is getting felt up at work, with the implication ‘or else’? Is being stalked by members of the opposite gender? Or having career advancements blocked by a lack of ‘playing the game’?

I can give you concrete examples from a number of cultures that each culture will write off as ‘he/she/they were asking for it’, or ‘she/they/he deserved it’, or ‘it’s just boys/girls being girls/boys.’.

I’ve seen it up close and personal, and have lived it.

The underlying ‘attention economy’ dynamic is still the same.

Edit: meant to add - plenty of 80/20 also applies here of course (though more extreme). Top 1-2% men (esp. from earning or traditional looks perspective) deal with the same issues that top 50%-80% of women deal with, bottom 20% of women (from traditional looks perspective) deal with issues that 80-90% of men deal with, etc.

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