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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by afiori »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #658
throwaway613745 wrote: post #300

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I have used Firefox as my default browser through thick and thin for damn near two decades. If Mozilla killed andblocking extensions I’d switch to Helium Browser in a heartbeat since they’re maintaining manifest v2 support for uBO and even ship it OOTB. The web is unusable without a proper Adblock.

"The web is unusable without a proper Adblock" Unusable for the commenter perhaps, based on his choices, but not unusable in an absolute sense For example, I have been using the web without an adblock for several decades.^1 I see no ads Adblocking is only necessary when one uses a popular graphical web browser When I use an HTTP generator and a TCP client then no "adblock" is necessary When I use a text-only browser…

For almost all purposes and users this is the same as saying "just close your eyes"/"just stay offline".

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by strictnein »

legacynl wrote: post #694
jrflowers wrote: post #682

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>On iOS, Safari is simple and sufficient, but I would prefer UBO there, however we all know Apple will never allow extensions for Safari. fwiw Safari on iOS does allow some extensions and uBlock Origin Lite is free in the iOS App Store.

ublock origin lite is the knee-capped version that is also available in chrome. I haven't tried it, but it is technically not able to block all ads.

Works much better than I thought it would. It's rather rare when I see an add in Chrome.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by heavyset_go »

prmph wrote: post #528
csdreamer7 wrote: post #453

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There are a few reasons: I haven't compared it in years, but Firefox's bookmark sync is better than Google's, it is a reason why I have stuck with it. I think Firefox manages hundreds of tabs better than Chrome does as far as memory usage goes. I haven't used Chrome seriously in years, but people continue to complain about how RAM hungry Chrome is so I assume it is still an issue. But Mozilla has been doing odd thing…

It's only Firefox that is never satiated with however much memory I throw at it. Any time my machine slows, the solution is to kill Firefox. Not sure what exactly they are doing wrong.

Set `browser.low_commit_space_threshold_mb` and/or `browser.low_commit_space_threshold_percent` to something you'd prefer, and confirm that `browser.tabs.unloadOnLowMemory` is set (I think it is by default).

The default settings are to allow it to acquire memory until memory pressure on the system reaches 5% free, at which point it will begin freeing memory. You can set a custom percentage or a specific amount of memory.

That or just run it in a cgroup with a memory limit.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by stephen_g »

derbOac wrote: post #289
graemep wrote: post #135

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> Many banks and government websites don’t even support it anymore and loudly tell people to use Chrome instead, especially in developing countries. I cannot remember the last time I came across one myself.

Reading comments here about problems using Firefox is odd to me as I never run into them. I feel like people are taking about totally different browsers. I don't remember the last time I had page rendering issues or was asked to use a different browser.

Yes, I wonder if the rise of the Web Platform Tests have made browser behaviour much more consistent?

It happens so rarely, I don’t keep Chrome installed and have to download a new version of Ungoogled Chromium when I need to see if something only works in Chrome, which I can only remember doing about twice in the last year!

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by lern_too_spel »

sltkr wrote: post #572
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #545

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> Firing your CEO for not being sufficiently aligned with the American Democratic Party This is not what happened. He gave money to a cause with the explicit goal of using that money to prevent his coworkers and users from having equal civil rights based on an inalienable trait they were born with. That's not an "American Democratic Party" alignment issue, and if you genuinely believe it is, your dog whistle may be b…

That's just factually wrong. Proposition 8 deprived nobody of any rights. Gay couples could get exactly the same rights as straight couples through a domestic partnership, or get married out of state, as even Wikipedia admits: > A same-sex marriage lawfully performed in another state or foreign jurisdiction on or after November 5, 2008 was fully recognized in California, but Proposition 8 precluded California from de…

> Barack Obama said at the time: “I personally believe that marriage is between a man and a woman”

And yet he didn't force the country to only recognize marriages between men and women. Instead, he did the opposite. He voted against DOMA in 1996. He repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell in 2010. He appointed judges who looked favorably on gay marriage and then told the justice department not to defend DOMA against constitutional attacks. Then he celebrated the Supreme Court's ruling against DOMA.

> In a politically neutral technology company there should be room for people who side with Barack Obama and the majority of Californian voters.

Barack Obama and California voters (64% of likely voters in 2013 according to PPIC) were on the other side in 2014 when Eich was appointed CEO. Eich remained (and remains to this day) on the wrong side.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by Etherlord87 »

pepperball wrote: post #712
CamouflagedKiwi wrote: post #42

Amazing how they continue not to cater to their core audience. They literally have lost 90% of their market share from their peak, I guess I can see the temptation to try to regain it by reaching out to others, but doing that at the expense of your core is a terrible business strategy. It's not like those users are all that sticky, they're leaving as Mozilla pisses them off, and likely Mozilla are going to be left wi…

> Amazing how they continue not to cater to their core audience. I’ve seen this across several industries now. The “core audience” is too small and too particular. There is another audience, much easier to please, much much larger, much more money can be made off them. Why stick to your niche “core audience”?

No, it's not much easier to please. You will compete with Chrome and you will lose. It is the core audience that is much easier to please, because those are loyal users that trust you and all you have to do is respect this trust by providing a stable service without nasty surprises.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

Foriney wrote: post #595
pavel_lishin wrote: post #468

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I don't know, if the CEO of some software I used suddenly came out as anti-miscegenation, and started donating money to the cause, I'd stop using the software until the CEO was fired too.

In 2008. You know, the year the majority of Americans didn't approve of gay marriage? [1] The year Obama said that marriage is between a man and a woman? [2] Applying modern sensibilities to history is stupid. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20111017161259/http://www.quinni... [2] https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/08/obama-says-...

I am not particularly interested in what the majority of people thought at the time, especially not when the year you're citing is 2008, and not 1886.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by pavel_lishin »

AlexandrB wrote: post #686
pavel_lishin wrote: post #578

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> So you agree: for you, it's more important that the Mozilla CEO shares your political views, than that Mozilla makes a quality product. He doesn't have to share all of them, but we have to have enough overlap for him to consider me & my friends enough of a human being to share the same rights that he does. As another commenter pointed out, there are beliefs heinous enough that will override the quality of optional…

Marriage is a right?

If it's a right for some, it should be a right for all.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by ghssds »

9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #353
throwaway613745 wrote: post #300

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I have used Firefox as my default browser through thick and thin for damn near two decades. If Mozilla killed andblocking extensions I’d switch to Helium Browser in a heartbeat since they’re maintaining manifest v2 support for uBO and even ship it OOTB. The web is unusable without a proper Adblock.

> The web is unusable without a proper Adblock. It's a privacy nightmare as well. Few people reason how much data they give away to a host of shady companies just by letting ads display.

> It's a privacy nightmare as well. Few people reason how much data they give away to a host of shady companies just by letting ads display.

Imagine all the data Cloudflare vacuums.

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