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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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post #696

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"Hezbollah did not do enough to protect civilians" What an insane statement. Hezbollah was intentionally trying to kill as many civilians as possible with the missiles. The only reason they "only" killed 45 is because Israel has invested so much into the Iron Dome system. Hezbollah isn't a political party. It is a proxy army of Iran. That is why they started shooting missiles at Israel after Oct 7 2023 even though it…

No, they did not. They also mainly used munitions that fly low and escape the israeli air defenses, which is why most of their targets were close to the border. Hezbollah is a movement that is many things, among them one of the dominant parties in lebanese parliamentary politics. The name means 'Party of God', which is a hint. They also run hospitals, schools and other social services, as well as financial organisati…

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Restrained? Do you know why Hezbollah exists? This is just ridiculous propaganda...

Yes. They formed as a militia to protect Lebanon against israeli invasion, because the relevant colonial powers did not allow the lebanese state to build enough of an army to protect its borders.

Then they never left even after the Lebanon government told them to. They are Iranian puppets and deeply hated by non-shia Lebanese

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

#726
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I understand we won’t come to an agreement here, but I wanted to respond to two of your points: 1. Re: the term genocide, do you know why Palestinians have been insisting on this specific word to be used? Because genocidal intent was clearly communicated from virtually day 1, and was backed by actions to prove this intent. Cabinet members were calling Palestinians “human animals” and “amalek” for God’s sake - and tha…

Let me say first of all: super chill response and I really appreciate that. On point (1), I've got reason to question the claims of genocidal intent that get bandied about in these kinds of conversations. Yair Rosenberg wrote a piece for The Atlantic debunking one of the most frequently cited "amalek" claims. It's easy to find people on either side of the conflict espousing genocidal views , but harder to map specifi…

This is the kind of discussion that I feel would be better to have in-person; I am not a great writer :)

Re: Israel & the term genocide, if you closely look at the combination of:

(1) the words that came/are coming out of the mouths of Israeli cabinet members, Knesset members, and the Israeli media (especially in Hebrew!)

(2) the policies enacted on the ground in Gaza and the West Bank

(3) the actions taken by the IDF in Gaza since Oct 7 (I won't enumerate them here)

(4) the clear cut plans for a "greater Israel"

(5) the extra-territorial conflicts & attacks (esp. the 12 day war and Qatar strike), and the ground invasions in Lebanon & Syria, the latter under the guise of "minority protection" (a tale as old as time)

You must conclude that Israel is at the very least committing war crimes, and is the least rational actor in the Middle East. Palestinians, their allies, and (at the nation state level) South Africa & observers took it a step further and argued that the sum of the above constitutes genocide.

> Russian decisionmakers at the highest level have repudiated the existence of Ukrainian ethnicity

What Russia is doing here - and what it did with the USSR - may constitute "cultural genocide", but this is not legally defined. Keep in mind that Israel also denies the existence of Palestinians and reduces them instead to "Arabs".

> in ways I don't think map cleanly to how the IAF has prosecuted the war in Gaza

Three questions that I find helpful when comparing the two situations generally:

1. Does Hamas have an air force or access to air defense systems? If not, does that make it easier or harder for mass killing to take place when compared to the situation in Ukraine?

2. Does Russia regularly level entire buildings - with civilians present - in exchange for so-called "high-value targets"? All AI-driven btw, giving us a glimpse into the future of warfare.

3. Does Russia control the entire border of Ukraine? And has it ever enforced a total blockade on all goods entering Ukraine?

> but there is by rights already a Palestinian state in the Levant: it's called Jordan, where Palestinians have, at multiple points over the last 50 years, made up a majority of the resident population.

It pisses off advocates because it actually ties back into how Israel erases the Palestinian national identity, and is a common hasbara talking point :)

From day 1, Jordan has been a malicious actor of sorts in opposition to the Palestinian national movement. The West Bank post-partition was supposed to be given to a Palestinian ("Arab") state, but Jordan invaded under the guise of protection, which was a valid excuse, but also an excellent opportunity to establish Transjordan. The Jordanians held control until 1967. In 1967, many Palestinians were forced to relocate to Jordan in a second Nakba (called the Naksa[1]). Soon after this, the PLO escalated its fight against the Jordanian monarchy, culminating in Black September. Today, there are a large number of self-described (very important!) Jordanian-Palestinians residing in Jordan, but they still have ties to Palestine, and claim it as their homeland even after multiple rounds of expulsion. In other words, even in Jordan, there still is a separate Palestinian national identity that lives on.

As far as the camps go in Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria, that's a separate topic of discussion. A big part of the continued existence of these refugee camps in Arab countries throughout modern history is the optimism of Palestinians & the host Arab states that a solution will be reached soon.

> from people who correctly observe that Israeli Arab citizens, of whom there are a great many, have vastly more rights than black Africans had under apartheid

South African apartheid is the model, but not the only form. I believe that there is sufficient evidence for the argument that Israeli Arab citizens do indeed live under apartheid, mainly due to the ethno-religious nature of citizenship in Israel proper.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naksa

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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So, we established that there were injuries among people surrounding those with the pagers. Therefore, the parent comment’s claim was false — the explosions could hurt people nearby and weren’t small enough to affect only the combatant. My other points still stand, but it’s strange to me that the argument seems to go (not necessarily from you, but from other commenters above): The explosions were too small to hurt ot…

"we established that there were injuries among people surrounding those with the pagers" No we haven't. You haven't provided any proof.

Sources show, the source commenter I was discussing with in this thread agreed, why are you challenging this that were established in the thread? Why are you insisting that we don't use the context in the thread to continue discussion?

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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That's nonsense, do you know what Nakba means? And I don't mean it's modern reinterpretation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

I didn't ask you for a link.

I'm talking about what you think it is

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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well what's the ratio? is it 10000000 rockets fired to some region, with 1000 civilian hits, with 1 military facility hit? how do you "target" that rocket? just point it without precision?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_confl...

woah just linking to wikipedia article without any substance?

damn...

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

I didn't ask you for a link. I'm talking about what you think it is

I think it’s exactly what is stated in Wikipedia. A brutal crime of occupation, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, land theft and genocide.
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