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Post by alimina »

voxl wrote: post #273
andrewmlevy wrote: post #171

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Lots of examples, gender identity and requiring ethnic studies (focusing on white male privilege, settler/colonial, putting groups into binary oppressor/oppressed). Also issues with requiring those classes vs not.

These are two indisputable facts about our world, if you disagree you are wrong and anti-science: 1. Gender is a social construct 2. Whiteness is a social construct and in particular has been used as a bludgeon against minority "non-whites" in the United States for a very long time If you do not believe these things you are the problem. You lack education. You lack critical thinking. You are brainwashed.

Both of these social constructs must be challenged. The first is used to oppress women and girls primarily, and the second underpins racist oppression.

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totallykvothe wrote: post #321
5upplied_demand wrote: post #276

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It's insightful how they said segregation and financial means and you immediately went to racism. There is certainly some level of segregating the children from families who have the means to "dedicate huge amounts of their time and money to homeschool their children" and children from families that don't have those means.

You can't use the word segregation wrt people and then pretend it's surprising or unreasonable when someone assumes you're talking about racism.

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Post by alimina »

ryandrake wrote: post #427
o11c wrote: post #302

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From the Conservative part of my social group, the main one applicable here is pushing elementary school kids to identify as trans. Because young children are very impressionable, and it is forbidden for staff to push back on on it at all, despite the science saying "there is absolutely no such thing as trans before age 12, and much possibility of social trauma from attempting it". Left-ish people tend to say "this d…

Name some examples of school systems "pushing" kids to identify as trans. The name of the school and individual teacher, plus the wording that counts as "pushing" would be fine. You say this is happening in the real world, so surely you can point to a few examples.

They use teaching resources like the "Genderbread Person", which pushes the harmful and oppressive social construct of gender in a child-like way, describing women and men in terms of sexist stereotypes rather than sex.

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Post by WalterBright »

rbanffy wrote: post #716
WalterBright wrote: post #608

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Teaching ability is an innate feature of human beings. My parents taught me a lot of things. Neither had a teaching degree. At my university, I was taught by professors and grad students, none of whom had a teaching degree.

> Teaching ability is an innate feature of human beings. Distribution seems to follow a bell curve - you’ll usually find the people with exceptional teaching ability harnessing that aptitude in a professional setting.

All features in humans follow a bell curve. Viva la difference!

Pretty much all humans can run. Yes, some have exceptional talent at it, and some can barely walk. But the vast majority can run reasonably well. Exceptional talent at teaching is certainly not required for routine learning.

Besides, you can buy the workbooks for every level of math, and work it through with the critters. There's no special skill needed. I don't recall any teachers of mine at any level who had any apparent special skill at it.

Except for Feynman. I attended one of his lectures. It was amazing! Feynman was at the extreme end of the bell curve, that's for sure.

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Post by tomp »

hackable_sand wrote: post #698
sarchertech wrote: post #640

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I’m not against public schools, but pretending the social pressures are anywhere near similar is wrong. Kids are assholes in a way that would get most adults fired or imprisoned. There are social pressures to conform, but you don’t get called names for wearing off brand shoes the way kids were when I was in grade school.

They are the same pressures. They occur in the same proportions. Children are just really bad at it so it is extremely obvious. The rituals do not disappear when you turn 18. They do not disappear when you turn 98.

Probably AI generated.

Every actual human with lived experience in society knows, that real life is much more diverse than school. In school, there’s at best a few cliques and mostly a single social hierarchy. After school, even during student years, but even more so when entering the workforce, there’s incredible variety of social hierarchies to climb, skills to learn and excel within, and career paths to take.

Zero comparison to school.

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Post by WalterBright »

HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #718
WalterBright wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teaching ability is an innate feature of human beings. My parents taught me a lot of things. Neither had a teaching degree. At my university, I was taught by professors and grad students, none of whom had a teaching degree.

> At my university, I was taught by professors and grad students, none of whom had a teaching degree. Professors and grad students may well have done a course on how to lecture. It is obligatory and/or an easy way to pick up credits in many PhD programs. In any event, grad students teaching badly , because the department has allowed the more competent faculty to put their teaching burden on grad students, is a common…

Maybe that's a new thing, because I've never heard of it.

I have recommended to professionals that they take a public speaking course, but those were not part of any degree program.

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Post by WalterBright »

WalterBright wrote: post #724
rbanffy wrote: post #716

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Teaching ability is an innate feature of human beings. Distribution seems to follow a bell curve - you’ll usually find the people with exceptional teaching ability harnessing that aptitude in a professional setting.

All features in humans follow a bell curve. Viva la difference! Pretty much all humans can run. Yes, some have exceptional talent at it, and some can barely walk. But the vast majority can run reasonably well. Exceptional talent at teaching is certainly not required for routine learning. Besides, you can buy the workbooks for every level of math, and work it through with the critters. There's no special skill needed.…

Let me add to that Herb Sutter. He is very very good at explaining things.

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Post by harddrivereque »

School was hell on earth for me. Openly racist kids (I'm mixed race wo I was more or less not as strongly affected, but we had one kid of certain heritage that was being harassed on an hourly base, think of south park Cartman multiplied by 10) with teachers never doing anything about it, borderline maniac kids that would attack anyone randomly, teachers not caring. Sure, nowadays it's different, but for me school has leas to me not exploring some of my personality traits and basically being afraid of people and disassociating with society on a way of 'them vs me'. Sure, I'm talking about 20% of "bad" characters, but when 20% does this and the rest kind of pretends it's normal, you get the idea of what "normal" is in the society. But, being honest. I have to admit that having that experience gave me the understanding that what society nowadays "tries to pretend it is" is just hiding it's true face, because only in school people are actually honest and sincere. So in this sense, I understand that going to school to get to know the true face of our society is definitely useful for individuals, but it causes overall harm to society as it contributes to it's separation

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Post by gbin »

ecshafer wrote: post #244
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #147

I can't say my public school experience was great, I was bullied and didn't really click with the popular kids, but being around a cross section of actual American kids in my age group (my school district mixed middle class with lower class neighborhoods) helped me shape my worldview and learn to deal with people who didn't look or talk like me. I frequently saw fights, so I learned that you just stay away and watch…

My kids are not school age yet, and I am not sure on if I will home school or not. But I do think its possible to get good socialization exposure while homeschooling. There is the neighborhood kids, you have sports and clubs kids can join, religious groups. Plus not all homeschooling is just a student staying at home all day. Some people "homeschooling" I know are groups of parents getting together to educate their c…

Yeah but this is basically people with the same social circle and religion etc...

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Post by temp123789246 »

none2585 wrote: post #651

Homeschool should be illegal, full stop. Enabling a parent, especially one who thinks that home schooling is a good idea, to indoctrinate a future citizen is beyond idiocy.

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