Am I the only one who thought poetry was still the greatest available whizbang?
been great maybe 5 years ago. Just migrated all of my projects from poetry to uv and it's been a big productivity boost for everyone: myself, agents, my CI and CD
Uv is the best thing to happen to the Python ecosystem in a decade
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Re: Uv is the best thing to happen to the Python ecosystem in a decade
#722The sticking point for me is the way tools like uv and poetry build everything around the idea of a "project". I don't want a separate environment for every project, and I don't want to start by creating a project. I want to start with an environment that has stuff in it, and I start fiddling around, and gradually something comes together that eventually will be pulled out into a separate project. From what I can see…
What you describe I think is what most other people hate the most about python. The fact that everything pollutes the global environment, which then becomes a mess of things depending on various versions, which also ends up breaking tools included in the OS and suddenly your whole system is effed.
Re: Uv is the best thing to happen to the Python ecosystem in a decade
#723Uv is so good. I'm a curmudgeon about adopting new tooling, and tried uv with a lot of skepticism, but it was just better in every way. And even if it wasn't so polished and reliable, the raw speed makes it hard to go back to any other tool. Uv combined with type hints reaching critical mass in the Python ecosystem, and how solid PyLance is in VSCode, feels so good it has made me consider investing in Python as my pr…
> But then I remember that Python is dog slow compared to other languages with comparable ergonomics and first-class support for static typing, and...idk it's a tough sell. Case in point: uv itself is not written in Python. It's a Rust tool. It always amazes me when people work on an ecosystem for a language but then don't buy enough into that to actually use it to do the work. Avoidance of dogfooding is a big red fl…
And that's how languages start optimizing towards being a better language to write compilers in ;-)
It's completely fair for a language to have a niche different that 'quick start-up and runtime'.
Re: Uv is the best thing to happen to the Python ecosystem in a decade
#724Uv is so good. I'm a curmudgeon about adopting new tooling, and tried uv with a lot of skepticism, but it was just better in every way. And even if it wasn't so polished and reliable, the raw speed makes it hard to go back to any other tool. Uv combined with type hints reaching critical mass in the Python ecosystem, and how solid PyLance is in VSCode, feels so good it has made me consider investing in Python as my pr…
I wish we had a language that had the syntax of Python (notably including operator overloading, which is absolutely critical for neural networks, ML, data science and numerical computations), the performance, compile times and concurrency support of Go, the type system flexibility of Typescript, and the native platform integration of C/C++.
Free Pascal with better tooling?
Re: Uv is the best thing to happen to the Python ecosystem in a decade
#725The sticking point for me is the way tools like uv and poetry build everything around the idea of a "project". I don't want a separate environment for every project, and I don't want to start by creating a project. I want to start with an environment that has stuff in it, and I start fiddling around, and gradually something comes together that eventually will be pulled out into a separate project. From what I can see…
I agree that having a reliable main environment for quick experiments is great! On Windows I just use the main Python installation as a global environment, since no system stuff depends on it, on Linux I tend to create a "main" environment in the home directory. Then I can still have per-project environments as needed (say with uv), for example for stuff that I need to deploy to the VPS.
Note that I'm mostly in the research/hobby environments - I think this approach (and Python in general, re: some other discussions here about the language) works really well, especially for the latter, but the closer you get to "serious" work, the more sense the project environment approach makes of course
Re: Uv is the best thing to happen to the Python ecosystem in a decade
#726Yes, agree. At first I still use pyenv, or mise to manage python version, now that uv does that, uv is the only tool I need for everything in Python env.
Re: Uv is the best thing to happen to the Python ecosystem in a decade
#727Uv is so good. I'm a curmudgeon about adopting new tooling, and tried uv with a lot of skepticism, but it was just better in every way. And even if it wasn't so polished and reliable, the raw speed makes it hard to go back to any other tool. Uv combined with type hints reaching critical mass in the Python ecosystem, and how solid PyLance is in VSCode, feels so good it has made me consider investing in Python as my pr…
I wish we had a language that had the syntax of Python (notably including operator overloading, which is absolutely critical for neural networks, ML, data science and numerical computations), the performance, compile times and concurrency support of Go, the type system flexibility of Typescript, and the native platform integration of C/C++.
Why would operator overloading be absolutely critical? Just use methods. The pipe operator already has around 15 uses and counting, it doesn’t need more
Re: Uv is the best thing to happen to the Python ecosystem in a decade
#728The sticking point for me is the way tools like uv and poetry build everything around the idea of a "project". I don't want a separate environment for every project, and I don't want to start by creating a project. I want to start with an environment that has stuff in it, and I start fiddling around, and gradually something comes together that eventually will be pulled out into a separate project. From what I can see…
You can just `uv venv`? Or even uvx?
Re: Uv is the best thing to happen to the Python ecosystem in a decade
#729The sticking point for me is the way tools like uv and poetry build everything around the idea of a "project". I don't want a separate environment for every project, and I don't want to start by creating a project. I want to start with an environment that has stuff in it, and I start fiddling around, and gradually something comes together that eventually will be pulled out into a separate project. From what I can see…
What you describe I think is what most other people hate the most about python. The fact that everything pollutes the global environment, which then becomes a mess of things depending on various versions, which also ends up breaking tools included in the OS and suddenly your whole system is effed.
My sentiment coming to Python after getting used to the DX of Node
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Re: Uv is the best thing to happen to the Python ecosystem in a decade
#730The sticking point for me is the way tools like uv and poetry build everything around the idea of a "project". I don't want a separate environment for every project, and I don't want to start by creating a project. I want to start with an environment that has stuff in it, and I start fiddling around, and gradually something comes together that eventually will be pulled out into a separate project. From what I can see…
Whenever I feel like doing that I just use "uv pip" and pretty much do the same things I'd do when using pip to messily install things in a typical virtual environment.